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Definitive Test For Black Beauty Nickels

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Thanks for sharing, Susuman! That TrueView pic really brings out the colors on the obverse; very nice.


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However, the edges of the 'scratches' do not have raised edges as if it was PMD, but actually look mushed over. I think that they were in the planchet but did not get removed during minting. I think this could be caused if the planchet was much harder than normal.


It's not the first time I've heard that proposal and I tend to agree. Not just with Black Beauties, mind you, but all nickels. Poorly struck reverses are especially noted in the earlier years and sometimes the obverse as well.

It's hard to believe considering the manufacturing process, but I have a '54 Jefferson proof with what looks like small nicks on his jaw. However, they don't even look like bag marks (which it shouldn't have anyway) and look more like what you described.

I believe they are planchet flaws that aren't completely eradicated during striking like the center of the reverse where the pillar/door area is weak and will appear to have a lot of post-mint scratches.

How this happens on a proof, I don't know but, I'm convinced it does happen.
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Please take a look and let me know what you think. I also put 1959-D for color comparison. Thanks in advanced!
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Thanks for posting here, antmark3d!


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That sums it up. I already said this but, that's a very nice looking coin.

Can you imagine having an entire Jefferson album of Black Beauties?! It will never happen but, one can dream.
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Can you imagine having an entire Jefferson album of Black Beauties?! It will never happen but, one can dream.


I would love to have a BB collection. Although, it would be pretty much impossible though.
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Thanks for info, spruett001!!
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If Black Beauties are caused by an error in preparing the planchets, it is theoretically possible for there to be such nickels for any year the mint used that process. Not sure if they still do, and if not, when they discontinued it.

That said, I am seeing in this post a lot of nickels for years other than 1958 or 1959.
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That said, I am seeing in this post a lot of nickels for years other than 1958 or 1959.


While they seem to be the most numerous, I can't believe that only those two years produced BBs.

I am guessing that this has to do with supply and demand for the raw materials (refined) and the current socio-political environment. Maybe there is an answer as to why this alloy was "tainted" with cobalt (my theory) during that time.

I would love to have the time to research and answer the question. There was certainly enough going on in the world at that time that the effects could be seen in stock sourcing and quality.

What is most interesting to me is that none other than from Philadelphia have been shown and I have yet to find a certified example from anywhere else. I suppose that gives a starting point.

So, again...
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I just came across this topic. I had posted a topic of my own yesterday I believe, with a 1961 dark colored nickel question... The pictures I had posted apparently werent clear enough so I reposted new pics today, but I'm thinking I should have posted them to this topic and not another new topic, my apologies if I were wrong in doing that.... Here are better pictures (Im hoping) of a 1961 Nickel dark grey in color that I found. Maybe a "black beauty" or environmental damage? the first picture is the original one I posted, bottom three are the newer ones. Any input is appreciated ! Thanks Everyone!
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Hi Connie, see ya found this topic, no big deal to not know, now ya do. Lighting, that's the key to pic taking. Hint: unless looking specifically at the rim, always take a direct shot. #1 is not definitive to really tell more than a shiny coin. #2 had an incandescent light in the background, the upper reddish/orange tint will cause that rosy effect on the coin, another non-defined. #3 is no light, not enough daylight to emphasisze. Ain't picture taking Fun! I use LED flashlights and clipons to take my Pix, a little more natural, but still have to play with angles/shadows and reflections. I am still of the opinion that you have either a Black Beauty or one modified by Mark1959, LOL! He's always kidding he makes 'em with a torch then dropping red hot into water...which will discolor the nickel but not really give it that bluish shimmer, more a dull gray/black. Do you have one? I really can't say for sure, but is a strong hopeful.
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Here are a few new pictures of my 1961 Nickel taken next to a 1998 nickel. Hope these are of better quality. Thanks!
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Connie , your showing 3 different lighting photos of this coin . Only your 2nd pic of medium dark grey shows a darn good resemblance of a true B/B . Take it for what it's worth .
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@connie0319

I think the third pic in your latest post is the best so far for what I wanted to see. I took the liberty of editing it a bit:

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All things considered with the pics provided (thanks!) I think you have the real deal, and on a 1961 to boot!
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Spruette he's are a few links I found that may have a little to do with the cobalt in the mix. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Congo The first says that Cobalt is a by product of copper and nickel mining the other is about the civil unrest in the Congo around that time where the largest percentage of Cobalt is produced . Maybe poor workmanship separating the alloys. Just a thought.
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