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Pillar of the Community
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Today is Thanksgiving Day in the U.S. It reminds me that we should not only be thankful for the blessings we receive, but also for the blessings of others.  with Phil310 Have a great day  Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Canada
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Yes indeed... Great words Phil310...Could not have been said better..  Many thanks to our US experts in helping us with our Canadian coin queries....Today is "Your Day" to celebrate..!! |
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i agree lets move on..after all that matters is if I'm happy with this coin and yes I am very happy with it.
I have a question I have never really looked on the PCGS site until recently and when I try to search this coin it appears that mine could be one of the best out there is this true or are there more that I dont see?
and I found the pricing a bit confusing on their site, what would it cost to send a coin like this in?
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I have a question I have never really looked on the PCGS site until recently and when I try to search this coin it appears that mine could be one of the best out there is this true or are there more that I dont see?
It is absolutely among the nicer ones, a Condition Census example, but be aware that PCGS can only list what they know exists and many of the really serious specialists in this niche do not subscribe to the ego trip which is a PCGS Registry, nor have their coins in PCGS-attributed slabs. As a case in point, the "finest" of the Registry Sets to which your coin would belong - the Willamette Collection - is incomplete, lacking an example of your coin and the 1881 SSN. I am aware of at least one collection, whose individual quality is on par with Willamette, which is complete.... Yes, there are more you don't see. |
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yes I agree there are probably more out there not slabbed but as far as graded examples this might be one of the better ones?
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If I'm reading it right, PCGS' best in a slab is XF45 and yours looks to be right there with it. https://www.PCGS.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=596410Yours is a nice, honest, unmolested example, of cleaner surface appeal than any of the three PCGS shows on that page. |
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Wow, I go away for a few days and the Canadian forum comes alive with insults and other shenanigans... I'll tackle a few points chronologically... Quote:
Acetone can damage the toning (and ruin a coin like Zonad's 1882H Triple Die..just look at it - completely ruined and body bagged by PCGS Acetone itself will not do that. Acetone is non-reactive with almost every metal out there. However, friction of a cleaning tool (like a Q-Tip) and a powerful solvent together can alter a patina - but a plain soak is fine. Quote:
oh wonderful, so you send all your Acetone-cleaned Vicky's to PCGS and their chemical sniffers clear them as "uncleaned" and slab them instead of body-bagging them correct? Are you even aware of what instruments PCGS uses as its "sniffer"? They use dispersive X-ray spectrometry (EDX), Fournier Transform Infra-Red Spectral analysis (FT-IR), Raman Spectroscopy - they are looking for organic compounds such as iodine, potash and other material. They are not using any kind of emission spectrometry at the elemental level to detect any possible trace elements that acetone _could_ leave behind - and if there were any trace residue, it would be in the parts per billion - the lower detection limits of those machines can't possible measure. Heck, I think even BadThad here at CCF challenged the PCGS "sniffer" with his Verdi-Care and they could not detect it. Quote:
How many acetone cleaned coins have you gentlemen sent to and cleared with PCGS? I have sent LOTS of acetone-cleaned coins to PCGS and they passed muster, and I don't use that term loosely... Quote:
Take this from the person who has the FINEST Large cent variety collection in the world (yes, me). You forgot a few words in there. Quote:
...who has the FINEST Large cent variety collection in the world submitted and entered into the PCGS Registry. Pick a coin in your registry, any coin, and I guarantee that not only is it not the finest one out there, but there are probably three to six more that are known to exist in better condition. Many of those collectors put a higher weight on the obverse types than the reverse varieties - since those were intentional at The Royal Mint. Quote:
If you have to, use goo-gone on a Q-TIP very gently. I cannot speak on this - since I don't use this on coins. -------------------------------- I will caution users of acetone - it can cause a photochemical reaction with mint state (fresh) copper, producing a rainbow "gasoline-on-water" effect on the fields. I can spot a George VI specimen strike that was cleaned (i.e., lacquer removed) with acetone under bright light, quite easily - having experimented with this myself. http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...468601003590I do use acetone on brown and circulated bronze and copper with no ill effects. But for mint state copper and bronze coins, I use toluene (which is water soluble) and a distilled water rinse. Next time, C-V, try approaching your arguments using the scientific method. This is a forum with the intention to educate. If you have differing opinions or points of view - then present your arguments logically and provide the evidence. I too have been on the wrong side of many strong opinions here - notably with cleaning coins, using pure ivory soap... http://goccf.com/t/116814But - I persisted with evidence, not insults... http://goccf.com/t/284031"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Oh, and gidjit, Congrats on your pickup. Your thread should have never been derailed like that... and for once, it was not my fault!!  Let's continue the discussion on your specific coin... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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 United States
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For the original purpose of this thread: That is one incredible find! That coin has not been cleaned. I am deeply impressed! Congratulations!
For the unintentional part of this thread started by Canadian Varieties: I am very sad that you started this on this thread, and hope that you haven't made a new collector start cleaning his coins with the horrible goo-gone you speak of. On a side note, I love your humility.
New Collectors: Do Not Clean Coins with Goo-Gone! Use Acetone!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I'd say ef45. It's a nice coin. it looks great much better than the before pics.
I would have tried acetone soak on it, perfect candidate with the green crud imo. I can only speak for myself, but I think 99.99% of other knowledgable collectors would have too.
For what it's worth, I would take that restored coin not in a PCGS holder over the green cruddy one inside a PCGS holder any day.
Happy thanksgiving USA!
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but now there's a big questionmark if it will pass PCGS or NOT. Ummm... who really cares  If I was looking at a 5 figure coin I would educate myself, and not rely on the paid opinion of strangers, regardless of how fancy a website they produce. Personally I think that's a key difference between someone who accumulates coins and someone who "collects". If I were a betting man I would say there are many LC sets out there that are finer than whatever "report" a TPG'er puts out. Those "collectors" had more brains than money, and knew what they were doing, instead of simply buying bragging rights. But I digress.... Extremely nice pickup Gidjit - congratz. Edited by Wade
11/24/2017 01:50 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:If I were a betting man I would say there are many LC sets out there that are finer than whatever "report" a TPG'er puts out. Those "collectors" had more brains than money, and knew what they were doing, instead of simply buying bragging rights. Bingo! @coinlover1899 I agree. I was accused of hijacking the topic when the hijacking had already been done. C-V destroyed this topic about a nice purchase for the purposes of self-aggrandizement. You have an excellent coin and variety, gidjit, and I agree it should be top pop. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If anyone is wondering, here are the contents of Klean-Strip acetone and Goo Gone, respectively: Klean-Strip Acetone:  Goo Gone:  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Ummm... who really cares Exactly. Gidjit's coin is clearly an original piece, an honestly-circulated coin which clearly shows no sign of tampering. And despite the topic of the tangent which this thread took, it is not a candidate for any sort of conservation. Why would you want to change it? In my hands, it would have had its' acetone rinse, but in this case only because I don't know if it had a developing case of PVC contamination (you can't see the early stages of it) or maybe someone sneezed on it before they shipped it. At very worst, as I think happened with Zonad's coin, it might have removed something artificially applied to mask previous work, at which point you'd have a clearer idea of the reality you were facing. The subtle hints offered in the excellent images at this thread's beginning are reassuring that such is not the case here. Third-party grading is about the money, plain and simple. They have their place, especially when authentication is a matter of concern, but a known variety of great rarity, presented to a highly knowledgeable collector niche (as Canadian variety types clearly are) needs nobody to vouch for it. The same is true of early American copper; the specialist demographic doesn't need a TPG to tell them what's what, and some of the nicest pieces in existence are raw. You don't know much about them, because as raw coins they're essentially ineligible for the beauty-contest signature auctions, but they're there. If Gidgit chooses to flip this one down the line, a few words in the right place (and there are people reading/posting in this thread who know all the right places) will prompt a private-party sale that will engender happiness on all sides. PCGS is an unnecessary middleman for this coin. I have to tell you, gidjit, I'm more than a bit envious of this one.  1882 is among the dates which I typically look at every_single_offering for, but I left it be for a couple weeks after the recent Baltimore show tapped me out. Naturally, that's when the Unicorn appeared.  The pain is tempered by the knowledge that a CCFer got the coin. There is another out there for me, somewhere, and I'll find it. Enjoy yours. You deserve it. |
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