Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsRoyal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. 300,000 items to help build your collection! Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Identify The Problem With The Problem Coin

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 44 / Views: 6,141Next Topic
Page: of 3
Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
spru's Avatar
United States
12477 Posts
 Posted 12/30/2017  02:39 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
New Member
Oldwormwood's Avatar
United States
20 Posts
 Posted 12/30/2017  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldwormwood to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Altered surfaces? The obverse seems a bit "off".
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 12/30/2017  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Drumroll please!

itAOGRiYRLI


The answer is repaired obverse. If you could spot it out then you are truly gifted. I sure as heck couldn't. Neither could Ian Russell, definitively. He thought it could either be the obverse right field or the area between the 6th and 7th star.

When I told him there is no way I would have caught it, his response was 'that's why I don't buy raw coins.'

Let's be honest. If it wasn't pointed out, would you have noticed it? This one ended up being an unintended plug for the tpgs.

Thanks for playing everyone. I'll make sure the next one is easier.
Moderator
Learn More...
Spence's Avatar
United States
34423 Posts
 Posted 12/30/2017  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@MikeF, can you please show us an image with an arrow pointing to the repair? Even with those two hints of the obv right field or between the 6th and 7th stars, I still don't see anything.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb

"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
Pillar of the Community
Slider23's Avatar
United States
4469 Posts
 Posted 12/30/2017  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MikeF, this is what it looked like to me. The coin had some type of clasp or 4 mounting points. The mounting points were removed and repaired. The fields were sanded and smoothed so the fields would blend.
Identify-The-Problem-With-The-Problem-Coin
Edited by Slider23
12/30/2017 3:55 pm
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 12/30/2017  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could NOT find the repair area either. I put in a call to Ian at Great Collections. The crudely circled areas are the questionable places Ian pointed out during our phone conversation. But he sounded like he wasn't all that confident.

I'm in the same boat as you guys. Not seeing it on my end.


Identify-The-Problem-With-The-Problem-Coin

These are the areas Ian pointed out during our phone conversation.



Identify-The-Problem-With-The-Problem-Coin
Edited by MikeF
12/30/2017 4:22 pm
Pillar of the Community
SilverDollar2017's Avatar
United States
8715 Posts
 Posted 12/30/2017  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had suspected the same thing.

Please do more of these, they are very fun and educational.
Pillar of the Community
Alpha2814's Avatar
United States
2023 Posts
 Posted 12/30/2017  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Moderator
Learn More...
jbuck's Avatar
United States
188850 Posts
CCF Advertiser
Andrew99's Avatar
United States
1533 Posts
 Posted 12/31/2017  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have said details based on the harsh cleaning in the fields. It is usually possible to convert one type of details coin into another, like grafitti > smoothed, or holed > repaired, so once you find something disqualifying you can stop looking.
Pillar of the Community
BadDog's Avatar
United States
1375 Posts
 Posted 12/31/2017  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
... and educational.


I agree that it COULD be, but in this case not so much since no one, not even the auction house Great Collections, can point out exactly what the repair is or where exactly it is on the coin. I was thinking that it might be more noticeable in hand versus a photo, but if GC couldn't tell what the repair is then I guess that's not the case. That's the problem with TPG details grades, they aren't very specific sometimes.

I guess it didn't bother the buyer that much, as the coin sold for about $3500 at the GC auction that closed a couple of hours ago. Of course, it might have gone for double that if it wasn't a details coin.
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 12/31/2017  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I guess it didn't bother the buyer that much, as the coin sold for about $3500 at the GC auction that closed a couple of hours ago. Of course, it might have gone for double that if it wasn't a details coin.




It probably sold for $3,500 b/c the bidder was smart enough to realize that no one will notice the problem. Making it an ideal crack-out candidate. Keep your eyes peeled. You might see it pop up on ebay as a raw coin marketed as choice BU +++. Unfortunately it's a common practice.

Hence the lesson here. Don't buy expensive raw coins.
Edited by MikeF
12/31/2017 11:49 pm
Pillar of the Community
BadDog's Avatar
United States
1375 Posts
 Posted 12/31/2017  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Hence the lesson here. Don't buy expensive raw coins.



Pillar of the Community
Chopped Triumphs's Avatar
United States
562 Posts
 Posted 01/01/2018  04:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chopped Triumphs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very informative!
  Previous TopicReplies: 44 / Views: 6,141Next Topic
Page: of 3

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.35 seconds to rattle this change. Forums