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Help Me To Grade This Italy Coin

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 Posted 02/04/2018  08:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pirgah to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Itīs a 1923R Italy 20 Lire KM#64, mintage: 20,000 coins!

In fact, I donīt even know if itīs an authentic coin, and itīs being offered as an incredible bargain (less than US$ 250).

Maybe itīs a counterfeit, but Iīm not an expert to judge it.

Once again please excuse me, but these photos (terrible of course) are the only ones I have.

Thereīs a scratch crossing the reverse and some stains in the surface which can be caused by a cleaning process.

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 Posted 02/04/2018  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds fishy. The melt value is $248.
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If being bought via the internet, it'd be an extremely risky coin to purchase uncertified. And since slabs are faked, too, you have to be cautious even then. At the very least, I'd be wanting to weigh such before making a deal.

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 Posted 02/04/2018  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pirgah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks BigSilver and Lucky Cuss. Iīm with you. Too good to be true.
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 Posted 02/04/2018  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very smart to ask first. That one just doesn't look as a struck example should.
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In fact, I donīt even know if itīs an authentic coin, and itīs being offered as an incredible bargain (less than US$ 250).

Maybe itīs a counterfeit, but Iīm not an expert to judge it.

So, if it was only a pretty good bargain, and not "too good to be true", you'd be inclined to think it could be genuine?

You're going to get burned like that. I know you mentioned your eyes, and you're kind of a latecomer to coins... It might be best for now to stick to more legitimate dealers and also the major numismatic auctions. I know you want to bargain hunt, but that's hard to do effectively and safely until you "know your stuff". Until then, keep learning, study what genuine material looks like... and learn your prices so at least you don't overpay.

More specifically to this piece, there are quite a few replicas and/or fakes of coins from the years of the unified Italian monarchy. The most common are probably these below (but there are others):

-- the Mussolini fantasy 20 lire
-- 1911 5 Lire
-- Eritrea 5 Lire

Some are made more as tribute replicas which were too accurately reproduced though not necessarily made to deceive (though they often do, especially just using photos on the internet)... but some are made as numismatic fakes.

Also, while possible, I would doubt this one is done in solid gold, too - just some sort of plating.
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Now with that haircut, was there any doubt this kid was Italian? Young Vittorio, later famous for his coin collection and owner of the first electric blow dryer:
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