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Like many of you, I have a fair amount tied up in my Canadian coins. I don't mind, because I really love collecting them, learning their history, and studying how they were made. In my more retrospective and lucid moments, I have to admit to myself that I probably will not come close to breaking even when I eventually sell.


I concur. However, I can pretty much guarantee that I will recover a heck of a lot more from my coin collection, than I ever will from my other hobby.... motorcycles!! Money goes into that hobby, and never comes out!!
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 Posted 04/16/2018  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add torcan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect because I'm a completest and if there's something I'm missing, I tend to seek it out.

These days with so many people using debit cards in the increasingly cashless society, I wonder what the real future of coins are. Maybe in 10 years or so they'll be made for collector-sets only because they won't circulate anymore. Just thinking out loud...
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JeyRey, just tell your friend that a declining market is the perfect time to sell, maybe he'll get the idea.

Some caveats for collectors : Buy junk, sell junk. Cheap once, cheap twice.

Good quality classic material will always be in demand, obtain that, and you'll have no problems.
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I'm not sure what to make of the high end market right now. I'm a close follower of auctions and the results often leave me scratching my head. High end Victorian silver in many cases doesn't even make the reserve, while in other cases it's going for more than trends. I just bought a 1911 25 cents in MS-63 and actually had to bid full trends to get it.

The low end stuff like 1957 nickels and such are really depressed right now. No way I would pay more than 50% of trends to buy coins like this.
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Peter4805: It depends on which auctions that you are watching. A TCNC usually has a very large percentage of their own stuff for sale and buyers have seen those items in auction after auction. Don't judge Canadian auctions with a high percentage of TCNC taken into account.
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Canadian coin auction having a coin 'sold' with only one bid usually means the coin did not sell.
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We just attended the 2 Day Vancouver Show April 14/15 and the sales of Canadian Coins were dismal to say the least .
Very little in the way of Canadian Certified Coins , ICCS, PCGS or NGC were selling to any extent.
That said we did sell a rather Nice Full Red ICCS MS63 1949 A to Denticles for Full Trends . Also , we sold a most pleasing original AU
Victoria Ten Cents Of 1871 for near full trends.
Most dealers still did ok and had a fair to good show . What was selling was better World Coins , especially Crown Sized Good VF or better. Also since it was Vancouver , Chinese and Asian continue to do well . Another strong area for sales , small interesting world gold coins .
On the buy side , I was trying to fill some spots in our Canadian Silver Dollar inventory . Interestingly enough found a few 1945 , 1947 Pointed Dots, and a single 1947 ML . There were NO 1948 Dollars on the floor .

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There were lots of 1948 dollars at Nuphilex this past weekend, including a lowball VG-10. I also saw three 1921 5c in dealers cases, ranging from F-12 to VF-30. There was also a 1921 50c in VG-10, 1905 50c in MS-60 and an 1890 50c in F-12.

However, the buying craze was in paper money. Dealers and collectors snapping up 1935, 1937 and 1953 Canadian Banknotes. World notes were really strong too. A LOT of money exchanged hands for paper money...
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These days with so many people using debit cards in the increasingly cashless society, I wonder what the real future of coins are.


Look at stamps. Canada Post has experienced a massive reduction in regular letter mail. Most of the mail these days is either package, bulk or mass mail bills, all of which use printed stamps or machine printed mail payment. Most personal correspondence these days is conducted by email. The stamp market is in decline.

I expect a similar decline in the coin market and before too long, the value of anything below MS or maybe AU55 will be melt or face value unless it is just plain unavailable in the higher grades.

There will be a steady supply of quality coins, as the boomers pass their collections on to potentially less interested inheritors, there should be a reasonable flow of quality items but as the interest declines, any value will be retained only by the highest quality and rarest items.

Also, the collector only sets... We are almost there with the ratio of NCLT to circulation... As you can see from other threads, there is a fairly high level of gloom over NCLT and its ability to retain value beyond melt... At least most circulating coins at MS carry a premium over melt/face.
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I've sold off almost everything and bought bullion. The vast majority of young people have little interest in collecting coins, and the next generation is likely to have none. Not only is physical cash in fast decline, but counterfeiters are nearing the point where the stuff they make will pass for original with the majority of people. I sold a good quantity of key dates ranging from $2k up to $10k each, and realized about half of Trends for most of them. I just wanted out, I wanted to own something with an intrinsic and quantifiable value, as I had too much tied up in my collector stuff and I saw the inevitable "trend" the hobby is following.
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1cent.......good thinking and I mean that in all sincerity.
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Well I am still picking up pieces I like and some varieties. Even if it doesn't turn into an investment there is enjoyment in finding those sought after coins.
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I know we like to maintain value or even make money on our collections, but really why are we in this HOBBY..

Because we enjoy it and to sell our collection because of fear of a market ca-laps is not even a thought to me. I collect because its fun and like every hobby we spend money to have fun. Lets take fishing, I bought a Pflueger Supreme XT spinning reel for $200 plus dollars a year ago, I can not get my money back for that same reel today and I don't care, because its a hobby. If your doing this for investment purposes, there's better investments to put your money in.
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The vast majority of young people have little interest in collecting coins,


That's always been the case. It's never been a young persons hobby as it's something that requires money and that is generally something young people don't have a lot of.

That said there are a lot more younger people involved through the internet than most people realize.
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Absolutely agree that there are young collectors involved in the hobby online. Today's younger people communicate in a much different way than the Boomers . The face to face connection via coin clubs and shows is just not for the younger set . They would rather sit in the dark of the basement and buy online. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it is just a different way to be involved in the hobby . The problem is just not enough interest in Canadian coins for whatever reason.
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