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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: But the idea that any machine was set to roll on dimes and then used by the general or attending public to roll dimes seems very unlikely ... I've never seen any machine that was not set to roll on the lowest coin of the realm.
Something you aren't considering the machines used at 1893 WCE were not coin-op's They had to be hand cranked by an operator at the booth. They may have had only one machine or some had multiple machines in a booth. Some booths had multiple operators and a supervisor would over see a number of locations, or attendants. This information has been passed down through written stories by people that operated the machines at the Expo. One of who worked for the owner of a number of machines, that moved them from fair/expo to new venues. So although during slow times the operators could have run through other coinage and then reset the mills. It isn't widely reported. My jewelers rolling mill, is easy to adjust for different thicknesses of metal. I don't have any elongated dies for it just shapes, wire sizes,flat and patterns
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Bedrock of the Community
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Very interesting to read about the machines at the 1893 WCE. I'm planning to go to London tomorrow and seek out some of the penny machines that I haven't yet done. As part of my preparation I've got some pre-1992 bronze pennies ready - by soaking them in ketchup and then polishing them with a pencil eraser! 
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: ... Something you aren't considering the machines used at 1893 WCE were not coin-op's ... Indeed not, Circus. Well-spotted!
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: I'm planning to go to London tomorrow and seek out some of the penny machines that I haven't yet done. 
Colligo ergo sum
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Bedrock of the Community
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Here's the result of my penny squashing! It has to be said that my main reason for visiting London was to see a concert by the great Paul Simon and James Taylor in a very hot and crowded Hyde Park!  - 8 coins from the Natural History Museum - 7 coins from the Science Museum - 8 coins from the Tower of London - 4 coins from a souvenir shop outside the Tower of London - 3 coins from Bubba Gump Restaurant My efforts to get all four pennies from one of the machines at the Science Museum were thwarted by the arrival of a huge group of Japanese students who took over the machine while I was trying to get more £1 coins to operate the machine (I had plenty of pennies). There should have been four Bubba Gump pennies, but the machine somehow jammed when I put one penny in: putting a second penny in freed the mechanism, but the first "stuck" penny came out as a duplicate of a design I already had. Rather than risk losing money, I called it a day, and headed to Hyde Park for the concert. Still, it was quite a good haul for one day! 
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Quote: Here's the result of my penny squashing! It has to be said that my main reason for visiting London was to see a concert by the great Paul Simon and James Taylor in a very hot and crowded Hyde Park! Excellent! 
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Here's the result of my penny squashing! Great assortment! Love the dodo. Quote: ...I was trying to get more £1 coins to operate the machine... Each one set you back £1? As I said earlier in this thread, the going rate on this side of the pond seems to be 50¢. That'd be less than 40% of what you're paying!
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss 07/17/2018 12:09 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: the going rate on this side of the pond seems to be 50¢. I know, that's great about the machines in the USA! When the first Eurolink single-die machines started in Scotland in the 1990s, most took 40p (2 x 20p coins). Then they put the price up to 50p. You occasionally still find a machine that costs 50p, but most are now £1!  The US-style four-die machines that only started becoming common over here around 2003-4 have always been £1 to roll. But there seems to be quite an active elongated collecting fraternity and I don't think I've ever lost out financially when selling duplicates on ebay.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the link @LC! To add to our "mishmash" on this thread, here is an elongated 5 Euro Cent from the Real Alcazar de Toledo in Seville, Spain that I picked up recently. The host coin is dated 2008. 
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
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Some miscellany on this topic that I'm posting now before I forget. First off, for whatever it's worth, in doing some research I discovered that NGC has certified Columbian Exposition elongated nickels,(as well as a 2¢) with designs M&D-4/4B. I think this implies that NGC regards them as original pressings as opposed to rerolls. Unfortunately, the specific listings do not have images available to view. With respect to the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair, I happened across this photo of "The Pike Souvenir" -  This specimen looks a little "brassy" which may just be an artifact of how the photo was taken. In any case, I gather this constitutes a grail item for the serious collector. Staying with that 1904 event, this APMEX listing surprised me, I just didn't think they'd be a seller of such. See: https://www.apmex.com/product/45717...-indian-centThe "rippled" appearance of the reverse is quite similar to that of the example I posted way back on page 6 of this thread.
Colligo ergo sum
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Interesting elongated cent @LC! Here is another elongated 5 Eurocent that I picked up in Spain. This one comes from the so-called "Tower of Gold", a 13th Century Almohad watchtower on the river Guadalquivir in Seville. 
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Bedrock of the Community
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Elongates seem to be popular in Spain nowadays. Here's a 5c coin that I rolled at the Caves of San Jose near Valencia: 
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Pillar of the Community
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TEC group sends out monthly elongateds as part of the membership here is one of this months group  It is made on an aluminum disk
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@nr, I agree about them being popular in Spain. If I had planned my change better, I coulda ended up with way more.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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