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IIRC, the word is "Landmünz(e)", with an Ü (and occasionally an E). I'm guessing that the late 17th century Salzburg dialect merged it to I?
(The English cognate of "münze", as it happens, is "mint", so this is less ridiculous than it sounds.)
IIRC, spelling differences due to dialect are relatively common on German States coins. The whole Pfenni(n)g mess comes to mind...
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Not sure that I have anything to add to the landminz vs. landmuenz discussion, but definitely an interesting question to ponder. Here is a 6 Stuivers from the Netherlands province of Gronignen dated 1691 AD:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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1691 -- Archbishopric of Salzburg, 3 kreuzer:   |
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1691 King Charles XI of Sweden2 Mark
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The short I vowel in English words such as "miller" became ü in German (Müller) -- a process called umlaut -- also "kitchen" -> "Küche", but in other Germanic dialects this change did not happen or only partially occurred. The German word "Münze" can be pronounced with an I-vowel (close to the sound of the I in "mint", but more rounded and open) or an umlaut O-vowel (like the sound of the U in "muse") in different dialects. Also, spelling is not standard among German dialects the way it mostly is in English. We might pronounce a word differently in Texas than in Boston, but it is usually spelled the same way; in Germany (and Austria and Switzerland) it is more often the case that neither the pronunciation nor the spelling is the same between dialects, e.g. Landminze / Landmünze Here is a 1690 21 Heller or 1/60 Reichstahler (not "thaler") of Bocholz (or is that Bocholtz or Buchholz?  )   Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Seems like I am one day to late for this one, but hope to be forgiven. Hall Thaler, 1691 Leopold I Weight: 28.5g  |
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6 stuivers = 1 escalin 1690 rider shelling Deventer coin (sitting dog) MO.NO.ARG.CIV.DAVENTRIA moneta nova argentea civitatis Daventria new silver coin from the city of Deventer CONCORDIA.RES.PARV.CRESCVUNT concordia res parvae cresc unt Small things grow through union (union makes power) KM # 78 Verkade 113 or Verkade 156.2?  |
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1 rupee India Moghul empire AH1102 / 1690AD, regnal year 34 Ruler: Abul Muzaffar Muhi-ud-Din Mohammad bin Aurangzeb (AH1028-1118 / 1618-1707AD) Emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir (AH1068-1118 / 1658-1707AD) 6th Mughal emperor mint: Surat   |
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1 rupee India Moghul empire AH1102 / 1690AD, regnal year 34 Ruler: Abul Muzaffar Muhi-ud-Din Mohammad bin Aurangzeb (AH1028-1118 / 1618-1707AD) Emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir (AH1068-1118 / 1658-1707AD) 6th Mughal emperor Mint: Akbarnagar  |
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We might pronounce a word differently in Texas than in Boston Good explanation about German spelling, but a deeper question is why folks who don't live in Boston speak so funny.   Here is a 1/12 Thaler from the German city state of Brandenburg-Prussia dated 1690 AD:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Wonderful gunmoney, NumisRob!
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1690 King Louis XIV of FranceEcu with 8 L'sParis(A) Aix(&)
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1690 -- Royal Hungary, 15 krajczar:   |
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Lovely to see so many beautiful coins with former king of Sweden, Charles XI! He was also called "Greycoat" for his habit of traveling the country incognito, dressed as a simple traveler, searching out and punishing corrupt officials. One of his contemporaries was far from grey though - none less than the Sun King himself: France: 1 louis d'or 1690, Louis XIV, Paris (A). Gold 917/1000. The coin is an overstrike on an earlier type of louis d'or, as can be seen in the lower part of the obverse.  |
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