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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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1680 King Louis XIV of France

Ecu with Cravate

Bayonne(L)
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1/2 Ecu with Cravate

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1679 English threepence of King Charles II:
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1679

6 stuivers=schelling
scheepjesschelling
Verkade 55.5
VIGILATE DEO CONFIDENTES
MO:NO:ORD:HOLL:ET WEST_FRI
moneta nova ordinum Hollandia et West-Frisia :
regular new money of Holland and West-Friesland
The blob on the coin is a remains of a brooch
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@tdz, interesting question about @pepactonuis' coin. I'll be interested to see what he says as I don't know the answer.


I don't have an answer either. However, I'd like to think of this coin as commemorating the 50th anniversary of the start of the seige of Magdeburg in 1630. This would be an image of one of the (unsuccessful) defenders pouring molten lead or boiling oil down on the Papal Army which was laying seige to the city in 1631. This was one of the high points of the 30 Year's War.
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Kingdom of England -- 4 pence, 1679:
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I have an even younger Charles II lined up for a week or so from now.
. looking forward to see the piece !

here is a jeton from 1679 (Dugn. 4431) issued in France for the wedding of Charles II of Spain to Marie Louise d'Orleans

the legend explains it all

c'est le fruit de la paix

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@numisrob, Charles II's monogram reminds me of the biohazard symbol.


Here is a 10 Pfennige from the German State of Bavaria dated AD 1679:

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@tdz, interesting question about @pepactonuis' coin. I'll be interested to see what he says as I don't know the answer.

I don't have an answer either. However, I'd like to think of this coin as commemorating the 50th anniversary of the start of the seige of Magdeburg in 1630. This would be an image of one of the (unsuccessful) defenders pouring molten lead or boiling oil down on the Papal Army which was laying seige to the city in 1631. This was one of the high points of the 30 Year's War.

That is a vibrant picture, but a more mundane explanation is that the name Magdeburg can be broken down into the two German words Magd and Burg, meaning maid resp. castle. So Magdeburg = "Maiden Castle". Now, that is not necessarily the actual origin of the city name, there could be other roots for the "magde" part of the name. In any event, the city weapon and seal has at least since the 13th century been a maid standing on a castle wall. It still is, the modern version looks like this:
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1679 King Louis XIV of France

Ecu with Cravate

Paris(A)
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Rennes(9) Bust I
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Rennes(9) Bust II
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1/2 Ecu with Cravate

Rouen(B)
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1679 King Louis XIV of France (continued)

Ecu for Bearn with Juvenile Bust

Pau
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@pepactonius and @erafjel, thank you for indulging my question on that Magdeburg coin. Especially for the central European principalities in the 16th and 17th century, I always find these devices/symbols provoking questions about the history.

Maid + castle makes sense from an etymological viewpoint, but I also wonder if the wreath she holds has something to do with peace or victory in the 30 Years War context, as mentioned by pepactonius.


Tomorrow I will have something less ambiguous from a part of Europe that's been less represented than France and Germany.
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I really enjoy reading posts that include information about the symbolism and historical context of the coins posted here. Many thanks.
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Here is a Two Albus from the German Free City of Cologne dated AD 1678:

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groschen, kreuzer 1678
Leopold I, house of Habsburg (1640-1705)
The 'Hogmouth'
LEOPOLD.D.G.R.I.S.A.G.H.B.REX
LEOPOLD DEI GRATIA ROMANORVM IMPERATOR SEMPER AVGVSTVS GERMANIAE HVNGARIAE BOHEMIAE REX :
Leopold by the grace of God, always exalted emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, King of Germania, Hungary and Bohemia
PATRONA HVNGARIAE
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1 rupee
India Moghul empire
AH1089 / 1678AD, regnal year 22
Ruler: Abul Muzaffar Muhi-ud-Din Mohammad bin Aurangzeb
(AH1028-1118 / 1618-1707AD)
Emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir (AH1068-1118 / 1658-1707AD)
6th Mughal emperor
Currency: Multan
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