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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Albert & Elisabeth
Duchy of Brabant
1598-1621
3 suivers
1619
mint: Brussels
ref: Van Gelder / Hoc 315-3, KM45.3
ALBERTUS.ET.ISABELLE.DEI.GRATIA
Albert and Isabella, by the grace of God
ARCHID.AUST.DUCES.BURG.BRAB.Z.
archiduces Austriæ duces Burgundiæ Brabantiæ etc
Archdukes of Austria, Dukes of Burgundy and Brabant etc
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1 rupee
India Mughal empire
AH1029 / 1619AD = RY14
Ruler: Jahangir (AH976-1037 / 1569-1627)
Born as: Nur-ud-din Muhammad Salim (AH1014-1037 / 1605-1627AD)
Son of Muhammad Akbar (AH963-1014 / 1556-1605AD)
Date his reign AH1014 in Persian far left on rev
4th Mughal emperor
mint: Qandahar, so KM # 142.2 (India Mughal empire)
The verse on the coin is:
sikka-e-qandhar shud dil khah /
az jahangir shah akbar shah
The coin of Qandahar became the heart's desire /
trough Jahangir Shah, Shah Akbar ('s son)
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1619 Nederlandse Rijksdaalder Friesland

one more piece in a series that was auctioned this year in Poland
a bit of evidence perhaps for the intense mercantile flow of silver from Holland to Poland that took place 3 centuries ago

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almost forgot to post my first coins of a great couple (more will follow during the next 3 weeks); they almost look "cool" together on the coins of those days

Isabella Clara Eugenia of Spain, "Infanta" of Philip II, and Albert VII of Austria, Archduke of Austria, rulers of the Spanish Netherlands from 1598-1621

1619 Ducaton and 1619 Half Ducaton, both minted in Antwerp

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Albert and Isabella were talented rulers and greatly loved by the people of the Spanish Netherlands. Their 23 year reign brought back prosperity and even peace to a region that was utterly devastated and degraded by an ugly period of 40 years of war (when we walk back in time we'll see the details).

A 12 year truce (1609-1621) was made between the Spanish Netherlands and the Northern Provinces (the Dutch Republic, also ruled by talented people like Johan van Oldenbarneveld). The costly machinery of warfare could be put aside (for some time). It was time for restoring a battered society. As this happened, the fertile soil came back for science and arts. In the Spanish Netherlands, this was the age of Pieter Paul Rubens or Frans Pourbus the Younger who painted the archdukes as follows:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabe...lara_Eugenia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alber...e_of_Austria

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Beautiful coins and nice accompanying history. It sounds like their reign was the direct opposite of the incessant wars between Poland and Sweden on the other end of the trade route you've mentioned.

I will continue the parade of Sigismund portraits with this trojak (3 groschen), Krakow mint
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nice coin, tdziemia

an obvious similarity with the two Antwerp silver coins is the lace collar worn by the Archdukes and by Sigismund; clearly this was fashion for the upper class of the 17th century

it would not surprise me if the collar worn by Sigismund was produced in the Spanish Netherlands: see https://www.britannica.com/art/Brussels-lace
today around the Grand Place in Brussels, many lace shops sell traditional hand made pieces

we also understand better the origin of the word necklace
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Quote:
we also understand better the origin of the word necklace


And now I have learned something today. Thanks guys!


For 1619, I'm going to mix it up a little and post this Quattrino from the Papal City State of Bologna:


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Very nice to see Italy represented. I am surprised to see a small dated coin like that. Very nice!
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3 Groschen 1619

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Sigismund III, Lithuanian schilling 1619

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1619 Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor

Carolus

City of Besançon (France)
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Charles V transferred the right of coinage from the clergy to the city of Besançon in 1534. On one side of the coins was to be his image and on the other side the arms of the city. Although Charles died in 1558, his instructions were carried out throughout the entire period of coinage from 1537 to 1673.
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1619 King Christian IV of Denmark and Norway

Krone

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1619 -- Kingdom of France, double tournois:
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John George I. Elector of Saxony from 1611 to 1656.
Thaler 1618

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Sigismund III, Lithuanian schilling 1618, SIG3 instead of common SIGIII
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