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This Chinese Cash Coin Is Huge And So Far Unidentified

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Dear community,

this is my newbie post in the forum, so I hope any mistakes I make are treated kindly :)

I won the auction on a seemingly HUGE Chinese cash coin (1450 x 560mm - but probably they got the decimals wrong in the specification), and I have great trouble correctly identifying it:



https://www.katzauction.com/lots/vi...ng-1506-1521

The attribution to Ming Dynasty doesn't seem to fit, because two characters identify it as 'Wu Zhu'... unless it is a recast of that period.

I also read an interesting article on vault protector coins that are the only other huge old Chinese cash coin variety (and more charm than coin) that I could find:
http://primaltrek.com/blog/2015/06/...ector-coins/

Thank you in advance for any tips, links, help!! Greatly appreciated.
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 Posted 06/26/2018  05:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF

No disrespect intended - but I am not going to engage with either of those hyperlinks you have embedded in your maiden post. Internet security today is way too precarious for that.

Show us photos of what you have.
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Thank you Nickelsearcher! both for your welcome and the tipp. Post edited, photo uploaded - although the resolution is better in the link...
Hope someone can help me :)
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Looks to me like a really cool novelty piece. Think giant US cents and the like.
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 Posted 06/26/2018  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A nice fantasy piece.

How old? Numismatic value?

Who knows?

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Welcome to the Forum MOTR. You've come to a great place to share and learn.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
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 Posted 06/27/2018  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ManOnTheRoad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone! Both for trying to ID as well as your welcoming words :)
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I just realised that the characters on this coin are in SEAL script:
http://www.chinaknowledge.de/Litera...enjiezi.html

and the character on the reverse right is radical # 430 of the Shuowen_Seal_Radicals:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...numbered.svg

That means now 4 out of the total 7 characters are clear, and the 8th is an 'moon' symbol:
obverse:
Left: Wu (as on all Wu Shu style coins)
Right: Shu (as on all Wu Shu style coins) (Before passing on however, it may be well to note that the second character 'Shu' means a weight standard equal to 100 millet grains. This standard for weighing coins has ben invariably used by the Chinese numismatists, and it is easy to see how in primitive times, when standards were unfixed, this practice was adopted. )
Top: ?
Bottom: "moon" symbol

Reverse:
Left: Shu (as on all Wu Shu style coins)
Right: radical # 430 ?
Top: Shi ("ten" in all Chinese scripts)
Bottom: ?

I hope someone else here will help!?

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Late Qing dynasty (c. 19th-early 20th C) charm from Sichuan. Your charm is pictured and described here:
https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=193371
... and when I say "your charm", I mean literally your charm!
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These giant coin-like amulets are often Vietnamese, rather than Chinese in origin. They are intended to be hung up in houses as a protection against evil spirits (not entirely unlike the Westernized practice of Feng Shui).
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 Posted 06/28/2018  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ManOnTheRoad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much Kushanshah and for everyone who supported the search as well!

Fantastic! :)

Too bad it is Qing and not earlier ;) but all good - at least now that I have reference citations, I can delve deeper into its meaning, original purpose and rarity.
And for sure the auctioning house must have made a mistake with the dimensions...

This forum is fantastic!
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in order to close this topic, here's the reference from 'Classic Chinese Charms' E.H., #490a

Good day to all!

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