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1. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1116-31,King Stephen II?);Huszar 84,Unger 39,Rethy I-71,CAC Vol. II/18.4.1.1/c1.2/50. It has a sigla of one line to the left of the small cross at 2:00.  2. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1131-41,King Bela II?);Huszar 103,CAC Vol. II/18.13.1.2/b1.1/22. It has a sigla of a small wedge to the right of the "E" at about 2:00.  3.Anonymous Hungarian Denar 91141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 123,Unger 70,Rethy I-132,CAC Vol. II/19.9.1.1/a1.14/5. It has a sigla of a small point in the right side of the "N" just after 12:00.  4. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 118,Rethy I-131,CAC Vol. II/19.8.1.1/a1.2/3. It has a sigla of one small point to the right of the vertical cross bar close to 12:00.  5. 1383-87 A (barred A mint mark) Hungarian Denar under Queen Maria;Huszar 569,Unger 443c,Pohl 114-3.  6. 1387-95 point mint mark under Queen Maria;Huszar 566,Unger 442,Pohl 112. The mint mark is under the double cross. This mint mark is not listed in the old catalogues and even in Lengyel it shows points around the double cross just like the previous coin but there are none on this one.  7. 1496 K-M/AF-B Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus II;Huszar 803,Unger 638d,Pohl 238-3. This is a variation with a much smaller "B" in the mint mark.  8. 1525 L-3 mint mark Hungarian Denar under King Louis II;Huszar 846,Unger 675y,Pohl 258-9. There is one more in the world coins section.  Edited by EddieDiz
02/19/2022 1:29 pm
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Eddie you do have a mind blowing collection of these Belas which seem to have an infinite number of Siglas. Are these control marks?
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That is what I am thinking. I haven't found a concrete explanation as to what they are. Some of the types of coins in the 1100's have over 400 sigla.
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Some of the types of coins in the 1100's have over 400 sigla .....WOW!......Interesting collecting theme.. Good luck and look forward to seeing your next additions. |
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I am looking for confirmation of the date range on this one. First, though I normally only collect Poland (or saints) from this part of the world, there were several reigns in the 14th- 15th century when the same sovereign ruled as king of both Hungary and Poland. While I try to some extent to exercise discipline with my Polish OFEY, there are very few Polish coins before 1506 that can be attributed to single years, but there are Hungarian coins from these joint reigns ... so I've decided to allow a bit of scope creep, and pick up a few Hungarian denars from the reign of Wladislaus I, who was also King of Poland, but minted very few Polish types. So, this recent pickup (Huszar 598, W-X as best I can tell) was advertised by the seller as 1440, but I see Numista has it as 1440-1441. I also saw a Huszar 598 I-h dated to 1441 on another thred. So what is the correct date for mine?  Edited by tdziemia
02/28/2022 11:28 am
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@tdziemia. I checked Huszar and it has it as 1440. I will kook more tomorrow since I work the overnight shift tonight.
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Thanks very much for the quick response! I know it is a bit like splitting hairs (1440? 1441? 1440-41?).
If anything else comes up, you can just update here.
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@tdziemia. Huszar is the only catalogue that has it as 1440. The rest have it as 1440/41. I have one with a G-B mint mark and have it as 1440/41. Normally if the majority of the catalogues have it as a single year I will use a majority wins judgement but in this case it is one vs. the rest.
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Thanks very much for doing the research  I will note it as 1440/1441. |
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1. 1095-1116 Hungarian Denar under King Coloman;Huszar 32,Unger 33,Rethy I-40,CAC Vol. I/11.2/0.1/1. It has no sigla and the reverse was double struck.  2. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1131-41,King Bela II?);Huszar 102,Unger 53,Rethy I-90,CAC Vol. II/18.13.1.1/a2.3/16. It has a sigla of 2 points before the "E" at about 1:00. What is after the "E" is probably die damage.  3. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1131-41,King Bela II?);Huszar 103,CAC Vol. II/18.13.1.2/b2.2/27. It has quite a bit of copper on the surface and has a sigla of 2 wedges after the "E" at 2:30.  4. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 152,Unger 72,Rethy I-145,CAC Vol. II/20.9.1.1/0.1/1. It has no sigla.  5. 1387-95 Hungarian Denar under Queen Maria;Huszar 566,Unger 442a,Pohl 112-1. It has the more usual dotted inner circle.  6. This is the same type of coin as the previous one except it is a variant that has a solid line inner circle.  7. 1456-57 n-E Hungarian Denar under King Ladsislaus V;Huszar 668,Unger 525c,Pohl 190-5.  8. 1571 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Maximilian;Huszar 992,Unger 766a. There is one more in the Worl Coins section.  Edited by EddieDiz
04/02/2022 12:45 pm
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Enjoyed viewing the latest set. |
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1. 1116-31 Hungarian Denar under King Stephen II;CAC Vol. I/12.10/b2.1/2. It has the normal "S's" between the crosses and it has a sigla of one wedge on both sides of the base of the center cross.  2. 1116-31 Hungarian Denar under King Stephen II;CAC Vol. I/12.10.1/c2.1/3. This is similar to the first coin and has the same sigla but the "S's" between the crosses are reversed.  3. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1116-31,King Stephen II?);Huszar 84,Unger 39,Rethy I-71,CAC Vol. II/18.4.1.1/b3.3/40. It has a sigla of 3 small wedges before the small cross at 2:00.  4. Copper contemporary counterfeit resembling the type of the previous coin.  5. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1131-41,King Bela II?);Huszar 102,Unger 53,Rethy I-90,CAC Vol. II/18.13.1.1/c2.8/73. It has a sigla of small lines at 5:00 and 7:00 and has normal lines in the legend.  6. This is the same type of coin as the previous one with the same sigla but some of the lines in the legend are doubled.  7. 1456 B-P Hungarian Denar under King Ladsislaus V;It is only recorded in Unger as 524e but is the same type as Huszar 665 and Pohl 188.  8. 1497 K-SE Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus II;Huszar 803,Unger 638e,Pohl 338-4. It has the crest superimposed on the Madonna and the Madonna superimposed on the crest.  9. 1543 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand I;Huszar 935,Unger 745a. It has a legend variation of 2 large rosettes and one small rosette under the Madonna.  Edited by EddieDiz
05/04/2022 1:16 pm
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