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US Mint Gouges Collectors

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 Posted 10/15/2018  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DeputyMax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The coins are made of the standard current penny composition (so little intrinsic value)


No way would I consider it. It would probably rot away after a few years and leave me with a "lovely leatherette presentation box" with a lovely green and black stain that I paid $2500 for.
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The day we are no longer being gouged by the Mint, is the day the Mint starts issuing face value silver and gold coins into general circulation again.


Why? Money is because a government backs it. Silver and gold aren't money and never have been unless a government monetized it. PMs will never be money again
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There are some that are calling for a return to the gold standard but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

Let's all remember that this is completely discretionary spending with (what one hopes is) disposable income. And when you compare the U.S. Mint's prices to that of the RCM or other world mints (as mentioned above), we have it pretty good.

I'm not a big fan of some of the U.S. Mint's practices but at the end of the day they are a business that is expected to make money. Successful businesses that want to stay in business don't make arbitrary decisions to try to stick it to their customers. They do analysis to see what the market will bear. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong.

Bottom line, if you don't like the products or practices, express your opinion with your wallet and don't buy. A lot of you here seem to have gone that way which is fine and your prerogative (hey, it's your money). I like many of the mint's products and will continue to purchase those I like and can afford.
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I'm not a big fan of some of the U.S. Mint's practices but at the end of the day they are a business that is expected to make money
I disagree. Being a Government entity, there is no profit incentive. Although it may be profitable on some product lines, it costs the mint more than 1 cent (1.82 cents) to make a cent, and more than 5 cents (6.6 cents) to make a nickel. Clearly, any for-profit business would discontinue unprofitable product, or find a way to reduce such costs (or go out of business). The annual report is here

https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp...l-report.pdf


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I tend to agree with Celtic Knot. Anything other than circulating currency or bullion is beauty in the eye of the beholder. I have personally only bought such things to fill spaces in a Dansco 7070. If I wanted to buy more gold, I would finish out the gold page of my 7070. If I wanted to buy more silver, I would start a new collection (Mercury dimes, SLQs, Walking halves, or Peace dollars).

The bottom line for me is this: If the US Mint released something that is prohibitively expensive then the two most likely scenarios are:
1) It's an error - and I don't collect errors
2) It's not available to the public at large - and I don't collect those either.
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It isn't just the US Mint. When I compare the annual Royal Mint United Kingdom coin issues today to what they were 20 years ago, it's like the Pobjoy Mint used to be with Isle of Man coins. I'm losing count of all the crown-sized £5 coins (which are sold at well over face value, even the cupro-nickel versions). It looks as if every incident of Prince George's life will be the subject of a £5 coin... Plus we have Christmas coins, Prince Charles's 70th birthday, Paddington Bear, Snowman 50p, RAF £2 coins, alphabet 10p's and countless Beatrix Potters!
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PMs will never be money again
Truth.


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There are some that are calling for a return to the gold standard but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.
Because you would loose that bet.

Look up how much gold exists it the world.

Now look up the total value of the broad money supply.

Do the math.

Enjoy that trip down the rabbit hole.
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When I opened this thread, I was expecting a group of people who collect U.S. Mint die gouges...

"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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The annual report is here
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Oddly enough I like reading this annual report from the mint.

We all know that the cent and nickel are money-losers for the U.S. Mint. But according to the report you cited, seignorage from circulating coins makes up 93% of the Mint's 2017 profit. Clearly gains from quarters and dimes far outweigh the losses from cents and nickels.

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE for the mint to cease production of the cent and nickel. But there are politics and other market forces afoot here, I'm afraid.

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Clearly gains from quarters and dimes far outweigh the losses from cents and nickels.
True. In reality cents and nickels are charitable contributions to satisfy the ignorant whingers.
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