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Pillar of the Community
United States
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centsles( 104929) Check out this persons or this company's sales. I t would appear that in looking for an old 1909 austrian coin I came across this site and they sell thousands of coins in and from most countries.All the same slabbed company NATIONAL NUMISMATIC CERTIFICATION.I can now see why some people on this site and else where complain about this company.I feel another member stated it properly in this post, this person should let people know that the grades given are just his opinion, not a standard by any means!!!
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New Member
United States
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Well that's the same with any grading I have seen some pretttty nasty coins graded by PCGS that I would not buy because of over grading and the other supposedly great grading company's that I personally would not touch the best thing to do is to get knowledge and grade yourself I right click and save picture to my computer and blow up and fine tooth them before purchase just an idea.
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New Member
United States
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WOW! I just witnessed an auction where NNC had graded a 1890 P Morgan to MS65. Values trending at 2700.00 BUT! MS64 values trend at only 150.00 The fool paid 500.00 for the coin. Now if NNC holds up to their overgrading reputation then he got burned. But if they have strasightened out their bad rap then the guy actually got a great deal. I think not!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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[eBayItem]120882665711[/eBayItem] That is a coin I was really looking at, but due to the mediocore photo and their reputation I stayed away, hope was right that is a great price for a high end Proof 2¢ piece.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Same in diamonds. Seller claims to sell cheaper than anyone else, but never mention that while they use standard terminology, they don't use the standard definitions for the terms.
For example, diamond colors start with D. If they start with A instead, then what others are calling G, they call a D.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My feelings too BiggFredd! I feel that coin auction on the 2¢ Proof was probably cleaned and recolored, if it was really a PR67 it would bring over $5k in a PCGS holder, all day long.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Norway
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Just wanted to say that we DO HAVE a set definition on grading standards and that all credible coin dealers and sellers should know these standards and follow them. In regards to the MS70 vs MS69 the top companies limit the amount of MS70 coins they will certify to set an ultimate grading standard although most of the MS69's could technically be a 70 This issue aside the standards set forth allow all of us to accuratly grade any coin to within +- 1 or 2 grades. Mistakes are made and everyone does them However top companies such as PCGS and NGC are very accurate. Most other companies have looser standerds and will encapsulate most coins, damaged,bent, cleaned, whatever and give the buyer a 'feel good' grading. I have bought NNC coins with spot on grades and most all of these companies worth their salt will not, twith ill intent upgrade a coin. It is possable to get a a AU58 coin graded as a MS63 so knowledge is the key. Know your/our grading standards and know what to look for on each coin. This knowledge will take you far.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Time to bump this topic. I have recently bought a 1799 Dollar. I am in the process of doing research on ebay to see what else is out there. This one caught my eye: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1799-DRAPED...em20ce9824aaThe coin looks good but the name of the company stumped me. So I searched here. "centsies" is alive and well. I got my answer. That all of his offerings were by the same company made me suspicious. What remains is this: does anyone have an opinion on the coin itself? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The coin looks pretty good in the photos, though overgraded IMO (looks more like a VF-30 than an XF-45). There is a disturbance in the left obverse field and some scratches across the upper stars on the reverse. Color looks OK. Does appear to be a bargain at the current bid of $785.
One big risk with NNC is that the coin can have major edge problems that have not been stated on the label. You won't see the problem unless you crack the slab and the seller can then refuse a return because you took the coin out of the original "package". Buyer beware!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Good point about the edge not being visible.
The nice color is what caught my eye. I agree the grade has been inflated.
In some ways my 1799 has more detail, and certainly a better overall strike.
It is a no problem VF-20.
Well, I would call NNC a "Private Label:"
Much like any other niche product, it stands or falls on the reputation of the producer.
It is up to $810 and I am waiting to see the closing bid.
Thank you, Jaobler.
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Moderator
 United States
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Given how white the slab color is, we can assume that the color of the coin is fairly accurate. What we can not assume from these images is that the surfaces are original; this seller is not beyond such offerings. I would buy from him - he's solid about the money part and will accept returns - but I consider all his stuff as being Details coins for bidding purposes.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
552 Posts |
I bought from Nusmismatic Society Asia who promised me my Rupee was NGC and lied, was NNC. Junk slab and impaired coin.
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Valued Member
United States
291 Posts |
Occasionally I see what appears to be a nice looking high relief 1907 Saint Gaudens $20 listed on ebay. This coin or coins is/are in a National Numismatic Certification holder being sold by an eBayer going by the name Centsles. I just watched one sell for over $14,000, so I wondered whether this is the same coin being sold over and over again. I did some search and it appears that Centsles has sold many high relief 1907 Saint Gaudens $20 in National Numismatic Certification holders on ebay. The buyers seems to bid these up to the $10,000 - $20,000 range. Since there were only 12,000 or so high relief 1907 Saint Gaudens $20 coins minted, I have to ask: (1) how did so many of this rare and expensive coin end up in the hands of Centsles; and (2) how did so many end up getting graded and slabbed by National Numismatic Certification, a slabbed few have ever heard of? |
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