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1934\35 Melbourne Commemorative Florin - I Need Some Advise Please

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 Posted 04/06/2019  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both are genuine Unc florins, however one coin is certainly overpriced, especially as it has a details grade and the other is from a major collector who is well known for preferring to dip his choice coins (a horrible thing in my book and a risk in getting the coin rejected as cleaned by the graders). For around the price of either of these 2 coins you could pick up at least an MS64+ or MS65 problem free graded florin and for around $500 you could get a MS64. Neither of the sellers is disreputable and I have happily purchased from narracan.
Dr David Briggs recently published a book ($80) on the florins and it includes the most detailed (by far) reference of every known die pairing of the Centenary florin.
PCGS are still hopeless at identifying Australian fakes and I know of numerous fakes that they have slabbed (I own a few fakes in PCGS slabs and had them tipped off last year about dozens of others). They are also pretty hopeless at consistency in grading as I maintain for comparison purposes multiple examples of the same coins and not infrequently find that some are overgraded and some are undergraded such that a coin with a lower grade may be better (strike, surface originality, eye appeal) than a coin that is one or more grades higher. Not insignificant when the price difference can be tenfold or more for even half a point difference (such as when I compare my multiple examples of 1962 sixpences in MS67 to my pricy MS67+ where the 67s cost a couple of hours wage but the 67+ was a few days wages)
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 Posted 04/07/2019  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serenitystan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"WARNING" Do not purchase anything from ebay seller -EUC-55. Pathological Liar. Verbal Extortionist. No Returns Accepted. WARNING-WARNING-WARNING..Had to almost take the seller to small claims court...WARNING-WARNING-WARNING...
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 Posted 04/07/2019  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
..... wow clam down

i trust Neal's judgement on this stuff, but its caveat emptor.

Do the research and you should be okay. Ask question of the seller those being genuine will reply or try to give clear photos and weights and size of the coins.
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04/07/2019 11:12 pm
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 Posted 04/08/2019  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bull to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just wanted to say thanks for everyone's tips & thoughts. I really appreciate it. It's definitely been a learning curve for me.
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 Posted 04/08/2019  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Serenitystan, I guess you got a coin that was dipped and you were more than not happy. I don't know (I doubt) if Carlos (Euc-55) is a pathological liar but yes I avoid bidding on his coins purely because he likes them shiny and I like them natural (be that shiny, dull or heavily patinated).
ryurazu is correct about caveat emptor, if a sellers coins are all nice and shiny when you would expect most to be patinated (such as Geo V silver)then it is usually safe to assume that they have either been dipped or polished (or both)and bid accordingly. Carlos has top grade (Unc to gem) coins but they are mostly dipped.
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04/08/2019 04:50 am
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 Posted 04/12/2019  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guide to spotting fake centenary florins:
https://www.australian-coins.com/bl...-florin.html

There are always fake centenary florins on ebay.
Sometimes the seller knows it and sometimes he/she/it doesn't.

Buying a graded coin is probably a good idea.

This is what a good one looks like:
No dip nonsense.
No cleaning.
No wear.

1934\35-Melbourne-Commemorative-Florin---I-Need-Some-Advise-Please

Stan:

Quote:
Pathological Liar. Verbal Extortionist.


LOL

1. He is a prominent seller with over 1600fb on ebay
2. He has published in the Australasian Coin & Banknote magazine.
3. You are correct - he is a fraudster and deserves account closure.
(1. and 2. mean nothing)

Neal:

Quote:
I own a few fakes in PCGS slabs


I own a 1911 shilling that NGC [and XRF and Spec.gravity and ping and several leading Aussie dealers] think is real - but if somebody here says otherwise - who am I to argue?

Cheers and Happy Easter coin collectors.
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04/12/2019 1:44 pm
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 Posted 04/17/2019  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add squaremealroundplate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I'd be interested in views of 292835273334 - a 1934/35 Melbourne Centenary florin.

Also, Neal, I'm noticing the " 5 " of the 1934/35 MCF being slightly different in that on some of the coins where the tip of curve of the " 5 " is either nearly touching the " 3 " of the " 35 " , or there's a small gap.

thanks in advance.
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 Posted 04/17/2019  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bull to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Picking a fake is proving to be difficult. The link that squaremealroundplate has posted looked fake to me initially but now I'm unsure. What does everyone else think?
How about this one that I've recently come across. Legit or counterfeit? I'm desperate for assistance

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 Posted 04/18/2019  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Legit or counterfeit?


That has all indicators of an authentic coin.

Obverse photo needed.
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 Posted 04/19/2019  04:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serenitystan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IT is a bad fake. Check out the hooves on the horse. They are different and not as defined as the coin in the slab...Especially the hoove joint on the left rear leg...
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 Posted 04/19/2019  06:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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IT is a bad fake. Check out the hooves on the horse. They are different and not as defined as the coin in the slab...Especially the hoove joint on the left rear leg..


Which is supposedly fake?
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04/19/2019 7:02 pm
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 Posted 04/19/2019  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bull to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One for and one against! The hoof in question does look different but it just looks like it has a couple of scratches on it to me.
Does anyone else have an opinion on it?
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 Posted 04/19/2019  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
292835273334 does not look obviously fake to me but I won't claim to be an expert at picking fake centenary florins.
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 Posted 04/19/2019  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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How about this one that I've recently come across. Legit or counterfeit? I'm desperate for assistance


A lot of the replies here are confusing because they don't include enough info.

Your imaged coin six posts up is definitely genuine.
It's on ebay at 293044188477

292835273334 is not an obvious fake.
I'm reasonably confident it's okay but his photography is lazy.

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 Posted 04/19/2019  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been fortunate enough to be invited to examine very high quality fake Melbourne Centenary Florins by a highly respected coin dealer,
and the on screen picture reminds me of a particular example that I examined very closely in hand.

Lack of wreath detail and luster, and overall 'pastiness' remind me of that example.
Tone ping test, weight, and finally XRF test if justified, would prove beyond ant doubt.

I am getting to the point that I would not buy a MCF on line, unless I knew the seller, and who would also provide a highly trusted free return policy.
The very high quality of fakes that I have seen recently, makes me insistent that I am able to examine the coin in hand and also have my own judgement verified with a professional opinion, or tested beyond doubt.
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