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Bidding Starts At A Million + .....double Headed 1964 Nickel On Ebay.

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 Posted 04/17/2019  06:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joecoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Are you actually serious? How is it different, really?



I actually am serious, indeed.

Sorry, but you posted; "The error coin is in no way comparable to the normal ones." I did not address the differences between it and any other coin(s). It is obviously different from a normal business strike. I can prove to you that it is indeed comparable in many ways.


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Ahhh there it is. You don't like it so it should be worthless is that it? It's so exhausting the "prices should be what I want and collect how I want" mentally is


I never said I didn't like it. I said it was an embarrassment to the US Mint. I'm not embarrassed by it.

I never said it should be worthless. I said it should be confiscated.

I feel for you becoming exhausted by people who are so narrow minded. When I get exhausted I lay down and take a nap.

I assume you meant to type "mentality" where you typed "mentally". Probably a spellcheck problem.


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I don;t know how much a full brockage 1964 Jefferson nickel is worth, but full brockage large cents and Half Cents seldom go for more than $2,000, usually a little over $1,000. I really can't see a 1964 broackage nickel going for that much. I think the $600 figure is probably reasonable.
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 Posted 04/17/2019  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So, the 1964 Jefferson five cent piece has a mintage of 1,024,672,000. Over 1 billion. This coin is one of those.


There could have been a quadrillion minted, wouldn't affect the value of this coin.
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 Posted 04/17/2019  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CitationSquirrel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to put in a bid and then I saw that is was just XF45.

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 Posted 04/17/2019  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinblind2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If someone has a million to spend on a nickel they must have everything they ever wanted
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" We have seen many multiples of 1913 Liberty nickels, 1804 silver Dollars, 1894s Barber dimes...
All multi million $ coins!
This coin is in a class by itself......only one coin in existence!
Quite possibly ....the rarest coin ever struck by the US Mint in Philadelphia."

Let's look at the numbers:

1913 V nickel : mintage 5.
1804 silver dollars: possibly 36 known pieces.
1894-S Barber dimes: mintage 24, 5 destroyed by assay.

You're comparing apples and oranges. An error coin, which may be unique, is not on the same level as intentionally struck issues when it comes to demand. Nobody would view a Jefferson nickel set as incomplete simply because it didn't have this particular error.


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So, the 1964 Jefferson five cent piece has a mintage of 1,024,672,000. Over 1 billion. This coin is one of those.

While this coin is likely unique for 1964 Jefferson nickels and perhaps all Jefferson nickels, unique doesn't equal most valuable in this case.


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The other coins mentioned were al struck intentionally, this nickel is an error. It should have been destroyed at the mint. Maybe I'll buy it and destroy it.

It got past QC and left the mint. Whoever has it owns it. There's nothing that would justify the US government confiscating it because it was not taken illegally. If so, they would have claim to all errors and even non-errors that they decided they want. It would be awesome if you would buy it, but I'm pretty sure that intentionally defacing US coinage is a crime, though I don't think that law is really enforced.
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 Posted 04/17/2019  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"It would be awesome if you would buy it, but I'm pretty sure that intentionally defacing US coinage is a crime, though I don't think that law is really enforced."

I don't believe it is, as far as I know it is also legal to melt most U.S. coins, just not nickels and cents.
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 Posted 04/17/2019  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joecoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There could have been a quadrillion minted, wouldn't affect the value of this coin.


How low would the mintage have to be before it would affect the value of this coin?
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 Posted 04/17/2019  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
*Maybe* when the mintage would affect a normal coin's value. But billion/quadrillion on this error makes no difference.
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 Posted 04/17/2019  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not that rare.
I have seen a few nice reverse brokages of this quality, in non U.S. coins.

Needs to be authenticated by Mint authorities.
The Royal Australian Mint provides such a service for Australian coins.

If genuine, may have a value of around $500.


It's not a 500 dollar coin and it already has been authenticated by NGC. Just because others exist in other coins doesn't matter, what matters is how many of that date and mint mark exist that are like that. Errors are a completely different animal. Is it a million dollar coin no, but it almost certainly is a 5 figure coin or very close to it and would probably sell almost instantly in the mid to high 4 figures.


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I don;t know how much a full brockage 1964 Jefferson nickel is worth, but full brockage large cents and Half Cents seldom go for more than $2,000, usually a little over $1,000. I really can't see a 1964 broackage nickel going for that much. I think the $600 figure is probably reasonable.


600 is way to low. Modern errors are rarer than early copper ones. There's plenty of examples of modern errors getting over 5k and even a modern full brockage over 10k that sold in last two years. Early copper errors and differences are pretty common, modern coins they are not. Even that said there's examples of early copper errors getting close to 10k.


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It would be awesome if you would buy it, but I'm pretty sure that intentionally defacing US coinage is a crime, though I don't think that law is really enforced.


Defacing coins is legal just melting some like pennies and nickels isn't, hence the roll a penny machines at zoos and truck stops etc.


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How low would the mintage have to be before it would affect the value of this coin?


Ironically for errors being a key-date is usually a value hindrance. People looking for key dates generally don't want errors and error collectors generally want to pay for the error and it's significance not the date.

In this case it may be okay anyway since its a major error, but minor errors on key dates really get hurt in the market.

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 Posted 04/18/2019  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocketchange2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does anyone have a logical explanation of how the US Mint would unintentionally produce a die that would create an image that has been horizontally flipped?

I'm tempted to buy some plaster-of-paris and try to figure this out.
I'm sure that Robin G. had nothing to do with this!
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If you mean a die (incuse) that created a raised and reversed image, the only way to do it would be to start with a hub that had a raised and reversed image. Or deliberately hand cut a die that would produce a raised and reversed image. With todays computer cutting of dies you could start with the regular design and have the computer reverse the depth so what would be the high points were the low points when it cut the hub. That would give you a die that would produce raised reversed images.
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I think it looks better with bust facing right. Looks nicer IMO
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I wouldn't even pay over $200 for that coin.
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I would
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