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 Posted 07/25/2019  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Exactly, the hourly workers were going to be there either way so there isn't any extra cost as they don't call extra people in or give overtime for it. The poor person that has to deal with it will just end up taking shorter breaks and working harder the next couple days to catch up if they fell behind on any work from it.

Unless the hourly worker has idle time that where they're not really working, they are going to have to work more time. Breaks are a legal requirement, so they're not going to get short changed on those unless the government or employer is pressuring them to work when they're not required to do so. I have a business with about 100 hourly employees. There's not getting around it. More work equals more hours equals more cost.
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 Posted 07/25/2019  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yellow88 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From what I have been told first hand by owners and managers in the restaurant and bar industries the reason is the severe lack of to nonexistence of basic math skills.

The second reason cited by the same sources is to quell the dramatic rise in employee theft, they have and are experiencing, being committed almost exclusively by the younger generations. In addition, when said employee is caught more often than not said employee attempts to "paint themselves as victims of inequity" to justify their theft from their employer. Citing the need for laws that would increase their minimum pay along with other such stuff. They also stated it at a point in time ow that it is the exception for said person to accept responsibility, apologize and attempt to rectify the situation in an appropriate manner.
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 Posted 07/26/2019  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't even carry "the mark", all I use is cash. I suppose I'd have to find a place that's takes cash, or just go hungry.
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 Posted 07/26/2019  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like using only plastic instead of cash. One or two pieces of plastic and no bulky wallet. No wad of paper money or no pile of coins in my pockets. My Son has a business and only takes plastic. Great way to keep track of things. With cash you really don't know what happened way back.
Only problem is at places like flea markets or garage/yard sales. Cash only there.
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 Posted 07/26/2019  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I used to pay for everything with cash but have shifted to credit cards over the last few years. Even so I wouldn't be happy to find out I was forced to use cards. What's more alarming to me is something I've run into the last several months. The wife & I are both getting older so we have started trying to cross things off our bucket list. Some of those things include music festivals, sporting events, & other ticketed events. We have run across several that no longer have a hard ticket option. You have to use a smart phone & download an app. Not something I'm happy about for several reasons.
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 Posted 07/26/2019  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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We have run across several that no longer have a hard ticket option. You have to use a smart phone & download an app. Not something I'm happy about for several reasons.

I'm fortunate to have season tickets to the Falcons and Braves. The apps are bad, but the worse part is transferring "tickets" to another person. They have to install an app on their phone or create a login on a website. It's all a real pain for someone who's only visiting once.
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 Posted 07/26/2019  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tturbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I have ran across them here in the Bay Area. Fortunately some chains are rolling back on this, and accepting cash again. As more municipalities ban cashless businesses, I think no cash business's will be a fad.
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Exactly, the hourly workers were going to be there either way so there isn't any extra cost as they don't call extra people in or give overtime for it. The poor person that has to deal with it will just end up taking shorter breaks and working harder the next couple days to catch up if they fell behind on any work from it.

Is there a law that says the HAVE to process transactions in order? If not "We will count you payment as time becomes available, and will finish the transaction and give you a receipt at that time. It may take a week or more to get these counted" Then take the next person in line.
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Is there a law that says the HAVE to process transactions in order? If not "We will count you payment as time becomes available, and will finish the transaction and give you a receipt at that time. It may take a week or more to get these counted" Then take the next person in line.


I would imagine at the very least there is a policy requiring all cash to be counted and documented before being accepted if for no other reason than to prevent theft.
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 Posted 07/26/2019  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My response? "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private." pointing at the fine print. The coffee shop still resistant, "Then I guess it must be free.". She accepted it.
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 Posted 07/27/2019  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carlp007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The company I work for quit taking credit card payments.

For purchases/payments, the credit card provider (Visa, Master Card, Discover, etc) charges a fee, the card processing company charges a fee for every transaction, and then charges a monthly maintenance and use fee. For every dollar we charged, we were paying anywhere from 4% to 7.5% in fees. With invoices anywhere from 10K to 35k the fees would be up to $2,600.00.

In Florida, a company cannot charge a service charge for credit card payments. The local/state/federal government is the only body that could charge an additional fee for using a credit/debit card. The only legal option to recover those fees would be to increase prices. The price would need to be raised for the product or service. Then in turn, the company could offer a discount for cash. In a price driven industry, higher prices detracted customers even with the the offer for a cash discount.

So, I cannot understand why some companies only take credit/debit payments. I can only conclude, those companies have probably increased their prices to offset their fees.

Heck, most of my coins in my books are from pocket change.
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 Posted 07/27/2019  05:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sure love cash discounts!
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 Posted 07/27/2019  06:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hoxsie454 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$carlp007 Aye, and those charges really add up for the big banks who get their cut on the fees. My friend's little pizza, soup, sandwich, and salad shop enters over 40% of its sales through the credit card terminal. If for any reason a card is declined, he is still charged a fifty cent transaction fee.

In the long run, all consumers are paying a little more for this cashless society.
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If I were en employee and business were slow at a no cash place, I'd take the cash and swipe my own card to cover it in the system to get the cash back.
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 Posted 07/27/2019  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So, I cannot understand why some companies only take credit/debit payments. I can only conclude, those companies have probably increased their prices to offset their fees.

Companies with many small transactions are inclined to take credit/debit payments because their actual cost of handling/counting money is greater than or equal to the cost of taking the credit card payments. On the other end of the spectrum are companies like the one you work for. It absolutely doesn't make sense for a company with a few large transactions to take credit cards without a markup, especially because most of their business customers would pay the invoice without a credit card anyway.

My business is in Georgia and we can charge a markup for taking credit cards. It's 3% which just covers the additional costs. We only sell to businesses and typically only about 1% of our customers use credit cards. They are usually on small orders, so the dollars don't add up to much. This week we had a customer that's lake on paying for previous orders use a credit card in order to pay for them so that we would ship a new order that they need. Their fee for using the credit card was over $7,000! Their credit card company approved the transaction, but it actually took several days for our bank to approve it as they were initially not comfortable with the large transaction.


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In the long run, all consumers are paying a little more for this cashless society.

Yes, which is ironic considering that it should actually be an efficiency improvement. The market is getting more competitive with new forms of payment. Plus, many consumers now have 1.5% and 2% cash back cards. When you subtract the cash back from the markup, the actual cost isn't as much for them.
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