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New Gallery Of Ancient Bronze Weaponry From Western Asia

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 Posted 01/28/2022  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's still got blood on it Bob!...I assume a wooden or bone handle?...Great photography skills...The actual overall form of the blade does look different to the majority in your collection...Nice pick up...
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A very nice pickup indeed, Bob. Superb condition too.
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Thanks, gents.

Not sure what type of grip the blade would have been inserted into, Paul. Haven't seen any speculation about this in the very limited coverage this type has gotten in the literature. I do notice, in the few current listings of this type (below), that each seems to have a transverse marking at the same location - the area where, on my blade, the dark gray meets the green patina. I cannot figure out how any grip would accommodate the curved wings...perhaps they stuck out the sides? Or perhaps they were entirely contained within the grip, somehow facilitating the connection between the parts rather than serving an aesthetic function? Your guess is as good as mine with this stuff.

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 Posted 01/28/2022  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ohh very nice pick-up @bob! Those short proximal spikes look especially ouchie.
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 Posted 01/28/2022  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Dave. BTW, read your KOINON article. Outstanding work.
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Here's a very rare dagger that I have managed to add to my collection.

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It is from western Iran, possibly from Elam or Luristan, and dates to the late 3rd to early 2nd millennium BC. It features a broad, leaf-shaped blade made separately from the hilt. The hilt is cast hollow and features decoration in relief (well worn), and the guard is curved. Below are some pics of similarly shaped (but mostly much nicer) daggers from various references that I regularly use: Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani's Arms and Armor from Iran (left), P. R. S. Moorey's Catalogue of the Ancient Persian Bronzes in the Ashmolean Museum (center), and Houshang Mahboubian's Art of Ancient Iran (right). The far right dagger from Mahboubian is probably closest to my modest example.

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Beautiful dagger. Was this the one that you had to wait so long to get?
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Yes, Ron, this is the one. Took quite a while to arrive. And, now there's another blade en route that seems delayed and may have to be tracked down (in the Netherlands). Collecting this stuff ain't for folks in a hurry.
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That is stunning Bob. Since the hilt is hollow, is the balance point actually on the proximal part of the blade?
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Dave, the balance point seems to be on the blade side of the guard (just above the guard in my pics). The tang, which is embedded in the grip, is likely pretty thick and heavy, serving as a counterbalance to the blade. You get a view of an exposed tang in the leftmost book image, on a specimen with a broken grip.
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Ok right I see that now. The heavy tang would help keep the weight in the wielder's hand. Thx!
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Congratulations on another super addition to the armoury, Bob.
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Thank you, Jim.
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Lovely example Bob!...The point still intact..
The handle grip looks to still have some anti-slip detail?
Bob, how do you go about preserving these pieces?...
I've been following your recent additions to your pottery gallery too, "very nice"!
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Thanks, Paul. I don't do anything special regarding preservation, other than being sure to store them with silica gel desiccant cartridges nearby. I have a few pieces with some BD. The worst of the bunch I am keeping completely isolated from other metal pieces. (It's in a Plexi display box with pottery pieces - no other weaponry nearby). I need to do some picking and Verdicare on that piece, but it's a project that will have to be added to my summer to-do's. Just no time to devote to it during the academic year - something I know you can appreciate.
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