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 Posted 08/28/2019  8:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stonewallmaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Dug 8 of these thinly hammered coins or tokens, I have not been able to identify them. One side appears to be conjoined shields and reverse is a passant lion coat of arms, any help identifying would be great!
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Afraid I'm no help with the coins. The experts on here may be able to help. But to CCF!
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Thank you owatchman for welcoming me to the community!
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It looks like a Masonic symbol in the left side of the conjoined shields, which makes me lean toward a token of some kind, but maybe there is a place that used this symbol?

The right part of the shield looks like Saxony arms.
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These appear to be medieval German coins not my area but someone here should be able to id these for you.
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 Posted 08/29/2019  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
echizento is correct. I mistook the handles of the crossed swords for something else.

Saxony pfennig. This one is close, but is uniface (no lion reverse). It should be from the same reign.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces134197.html

Very nice find! Nice condition for something that was dug up (certainly you didn't find them in the U.S.?)
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Thank you all so much, I found the pieces I have. Einseitiger Pfennig 1507-1525 Sachsen-Kurfürstentum Friedrich III., Johann und Georg. tdziemia to answer your question, yes dug in U.S. in a bottle dump.
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yes dug in U.S. in a bottle dump.


You found these coins in the USA?
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While I find it very odd that you found them in the U.S., I have in my possession several medieval Islamic debased silver coins that were minted in Baghdad and were found by a metal detectorist. Not sure if a relatives coin collection got tossed after they passed away, or some immigrants hid them for safe keeping and forgot about them, or what else....

So while odd I have heard of it happening before. Finding them in a bottle dump at least rules out pre-Columbian contact. :-)

(Before someone points out the date would be post-Columbian I was making a joke with the Maine penny in mind.)
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One side appears to be conjoined shields and reverse is a passant lion


I might be a little dense, but are these supposed to be einseitigers, or two sided coins? So, are the first two photos the two sides of the same coin? If yes, I find it very interesting that the back of the crossed swords (photo 2) looks like a lion .

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