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Okay folks, here we go again. Congress is trying to pass a law that will require that we maintain Lincoln on the Cent. While I would love to see a four reverse coin in 2009, we do not need to push our will onto collectors 50 or 100 years from now with Lincoln. There are two bills in congress now. Both are very simular.


109th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 341

To provide for the redesign of the reverse of the Lincoln 1-cent coin
in 2009 in commemoration of the 200th anniversary of the birth of
President Abraham Lincoln.


_______________________________________________________________________


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

February 10, 2005

Mr. Durbin (for himself, Mr. Bunning, Mr. Obama, Mr. Bayh, and Mr.
Lugar) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred
to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs

_______________________________________________________________________

A BILL



To provide for the redesign of the reverse of the Lincoln 1-cent coin
in 2009 in commemoration of the 200th anniversary of the birth of
President Abraham Lincoln.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ``Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial 1-Cent
Coin Redesign Act''.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

The Congress finds as follows:
(1) Abraham Lincoln, the 16th President, was one of the
Nation's greatest leaders, demonstrating true courage during
the Civil War, one of the greatest crises in the Nation's
history.
(2) Born of humble roots in Hardin County, Kentucky, on
February 12, 1809, Abraham Lincoln rose to the Presidency
through a combination of honesty, integrity, intelligence, and
commitment to the United States.
(3) With the belief that all men are created equal, Abraham
Lincoln led the effort to free all slaves in the United States.
(4) Abraham Lincoln had a generous heart, with malice
toward none and with charity for all.
(5) Abraham Lincoln gave the ultimate sacrifice for the
country he loved, dying from an assassin's bullet on April 15,
1865.
(6) All Americans could benefit from studying the life of
Abraham Lincoln, for Lincoln's life is a model for
accomplishing the ``American dream'' through honesty,
integrity, loyalty, and a lifetime of education.
(7) The year 2009 will be the bicentennial anniversary of
the birth of Abraham Lincoln.
(8) Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, grew to adulthood
in Indiana, achieved fame in Illinois, and led the nation in
Washington, D.C.
(9) The so-called ``Lincoln cent'' was introduced in 1909
on the 100th anniversary of Lincoln's birth, making the obverse
design the most enduring on the nation's coinage.
(10) President Theodore Roosevelt was so impressed by the
talent of Victor David Brenner that the sculptor was chosen to
design the likeness of President Lincoln for the coin, adapting
a design from a plaque Brenner had prepared earlier.
(11) In the nearly 100 years of production of the ``Lincoln
cent'', there have been only 2 designs on the reverse: the
original, featuring 2 wheat-heads in memorial style enclosing
mottoes, and the current representation of the Lincoln Memorial
in Washington, D.C.
(12) On the occasion of the bicentennial of President
Lincoln's birth and the 100th anniversary of the production of
the Lincoln Cent, it is entirely fitting to issue a series of
1-cent coins with designs on the reverse that are emblematic of
the 4 major periods of President Lincoln's life.

SEC. 3. REDESIGN OF Lincoln Cent FOR 2009.

(a) In General.--During the year 2009, the Secretary of the
Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in accordance with the following
design specifications:
(1) Obverse.--The obverse of the 1-cent coin shall continue
to bear the Victor David Brenner likeness of President Abraham
Lincoln.
(2) Reverse.--The reverse of the coins shall bear 4
different designs each representing a different aspect of the
life of Abraham Lincoln, such as--
(A) his birth and early childhood in Kentucky;
(B) his formative years in Indiana;
(C) his professional life in Illinois; and
(D) his presidency, in Washington, D.C.
(b) Issuance of Redesigned Lincoln Cents in 2009.--
(1) Order.--The 1-cent coins to which this section applies
shall be issued with 1 of the 4 designs referred to in
subsection (a)(2) beginning at the start of each calendar
quarter of 2009.
(2) Number.--The Secretary shall prescribe, on the basis of
such factors as the Secretary determines to be appropriate, the
number of 1-cent coins that shall be issued with each of the
designs selected for each calendar quarter of 2009.
(c) Design Selection.--The designs for the coins specified in this
section shall be chosen by the Secretary--
(1) after consultation with the Abraham Lincoln
Bicentennial Commission and the Commission of Fine Arts; and
(2) after review by the Citizens Coinage Advisory
Committee.

SEC. 4. REDESIGN OF REVERSE OF 1-CENT COINS AFTER 2009.

The design on the reverse of the 1-cent coins issued after December
31, 2009, shall bear an image emblematic of President Lincoln's
preservation of the United States of America as a single and united
country.

SEC. 5. NUMISMATIC PENNIES WITH THE SAME METALLIC CONTENT AS THE 1909
PENNY.

The Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in 2009 with
the exact metallic content as the 1-cent coin contained in 1909 in such
number as the Secretary determines to be appropriate for numismatic
purposes.

SEC. 6. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS.

It is the sense of the Congress that the original Victor David
Brenner design for the 1-cent coin was a dramatic departure from
previous American coinage that should be reproduced, using the original
form and relief of the likeness of Abraham Lincoln, on the 1-cent coins
issued in 2009.
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Check out section 4
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 Posted 02/25/2005  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bill numbers :

HR 767 and S 341

Contact your senator and congressman now. Do not wait until it is law.
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 Posted 02/25/2005  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What in the hell is wrong with congress!? Are they that out of touch with the times!? They aren't doing collectors any favours!

David
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What is wrong is simple. No elected leader wants to be the one remembered as removing a president. They do not believe that most Americans will support such a bill. This is why we as a group must let our leaders know what we desire.
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 Posted 02/25/2005  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This really makes my angry. I don't see what the big deal is about removing a prez from a coin. Besides Lincoln is already on the $5 note. So it's not like he wouldn't be honored.

David
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 Posted 02/25/2005  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Believe me, you are not the only one. I have no problem with honoring our founding fathers or great people who have shaped our nation. However, this is exactly why we have Commemorative coins. Our coins and currency should reflect all Americans. Not one political party or who was popular at the time. Lady Liberty is a distinctly American Icon. People around the world recognize the Statue of Liberty and connect it with America and its greatness. Why the elected leaders do not see this is beyond my limited view.
I have made this fight many times, and will continue to do so. It isn't easy or cheap to fight congress, but it is my hope that I will see change in my lifetime.
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 Posted 02/25/2005  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy29 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only fighting chance we have of removing any presidents is removing them ALL at the same time so no one's "favorite son" is singled out for eviction from coinage.
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Two of the authors of this particular bill are from the great state of Indiana (Bayh and Lugar). Makes me proud to be a Hoosier--not!

Rachel [:p]
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 Posted 02/26/2005  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally I don't think we have a chance in the hot place of stopping congress from doing whatever they want to do. Look at the sackie dollar.

catman
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Well the last two attempts at the presidential coin series was halted. So when there is a will, there is a way. I am not giving up on this fight. I just need to convince a couple of the banking and finance committee members to see the error of their ways, and these bills never see the main floor.
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I don't want to see Abe, Tom or George leave our coins. What will they replace them with? I don't think I want to see more BS artists from the 20th century replacing real presidents. Nor do I wish to view yet more politically correct gobbily-gook on our coins. If they were to pass a law requiring that they be replaced with Miss Liberty that would be okay, I suppose. I don't believe they'll do that. Such images may invoke a lucid moment in Americans. They may actually realize they don't have what is depicted in Miss Liberty motifs. [:0]
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I want RID of them and the sooner the better. Leave them on the paper notes and commemorate which ever politician needs commemorating, on paper as well. It is time for change in are change and I feel it would be much more enjoyable if it was something we ALL believed in such as FREEDOM, JUSTICE AND LIBERTY! Wouldn't hurt to invent LADY PEACE either!
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I thought about this the other day and have come to think that they ONLY reason the mint is doing all of these "new" coins (nickels, quarters and want to do cents) is because they know that since there is no silver or gold in the change it is really worth-less and they have to do something to make it seem to be" Worth" it.
I would like to see silver put back into coins but I know that will never happen...if they do it will be such a small % it still won't be worth anything.

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SILVER is GONE my friend! If you like silver then do as I/WE do and buy the oldies while they are still afordable or concentrate on silver issues, such as commemoratives, as they are available for a wide range of prices from all over the world. Many countries offer their silver commemoratives at face value so I go after them as I know sooner or later that will change also. My advice is if you want silver then TARGET silver! Your collecting habits are entirely up to you and that is the beauty of this hobby---there is no wrong way to collect, no absolute right way to collect---JUST YOUR WAY!!! Enjoy it!
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I'm with you 100% Crystalk64. Good Advice.

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