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2004-P Lincoln Memorial Cent Circle Around Abe

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 Posted 10/06/2008  6:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add closelook to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Anyone seen this one before, A complete circle around Abe. the circle looks like its behind both legs.

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 Posted 10/06/2008  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kloccwork419 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe its a Hula-Hoop. lol
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 Posted 10/06/2008  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen this before - evidently they are scarce, but with very little collector interest. A couple of people I know of are interested in these, and nobody really knows how they are created.
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 Posted 10/06/2008  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add closelook to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would it be considered a doubled die
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 Posted 10/06/2008  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Chuck and I too have no idea what causes these to happen.
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I have one of the "circle around Lincoln" in my collection of oddities. My suspicion is that it happened after hubbing, which would rule out a doubled die, but before the die was installed in the coin press. If my memory serves me correctly, it was John Wexler who first made mention of the anomaly.

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 Posted 10/07/2008  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, it's definitely not a doubled die. In order for it to be a doubled die, the extra relief would have to match something in the design...I don't know of any big circles in the design.

These were initially thought to be something related to the reduction lathe, but that doesn't make much sense, because we would see thousands of these things if that were the case.

My best guess, and what is most probable, is a well placed die gouge. I believe these are related to the dime with the big curve near the ear and the Wisconsin quarters. All are large circular gouges with little explanation near the center of the design.
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 Posted 10/07/2008  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are these only on 2004's or on any year from 1959 to present?
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 Posted 10/07/2008  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my knowledge they have only been showing up over the past ten years or so. I believe I might have seen one on a 1999 cent, but that would be about the earliest.
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 Posted 10/07/2008  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Chuck.
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 Posted 10/07/2008  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add closelook to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for the info BJ and Chuck
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 Posted 10/08/2008  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too have seen a feww before but have never been able to capture it with my camera.
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I would think it is from before the hubbing and would be the result of an improperly shaped cone on the die blank. A die blank with a plateau at the peak of the cone might produce something like this.
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I have this same coin found it 3 months ago. I sent it to BJ Neff and he could not tell me either how it happens. I have not found another one since then.
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