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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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1806 -- United States, 1/2 cent:

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1806 -- United States, 25 cents:

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1806 -- United States, 50 cents:

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Ireland - 1806 - Farthing
Nice EF+ with a die crack on reverse

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Nürnberg (German States) - 1806 - Kreuzer "Rosebush" type
Crusty original VF!!

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1806 British farthing:
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Halfpenny with reverse die crack linking the trident to the rim:
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Penny:
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Around 20 years ago I was working on my own in a large Georgian house. One afternoon I got bored and I went crawling on the floor poking under the skirting-board with a length of bent wire, and the above 1806 halfpenny popped out!
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@NumisRob! Great story! Next time I get bored I can bend a wire too...
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Less than two weeks before we will be largely switching away from US coinage. Until then, here is another Large Cent:

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Such beautiful American coins for 1806, and I enjoyed that unusual small Nuremberg coin, too.


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tdziema - That is exactly the same condition of 2 of my 3 1806/07 Halfpennies and one is even worse, hence why I am not showing them.

I mostly ignored the first 250 days of the 5th edition of How Far Back, but decided to at least observe from the beginning on this edition, and then to see what I still had from my childhood collection that had not been sold. Some of it is pretty ugly; I've got one more worn-to-the-nub halfpenny before I start my Polish collection with 1794. Sorry for ruining anyone's breakfast with these.
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before I start my Polish collection with 1794

Can't wait. You can school me. I am starting to like the Polish coins
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My last contribution to this thread.....
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@tdziemia Thank you!
It is a fascinating coin with an unusual motif.

The City Arms obverse is shared with another 1806 Kreuzer (cf. KM410) but the rosebush reverse is unique to the issue.

1806 was a pretty rough year for Nuremberg By that time a more or less bankrupt city-state following the breakup of the HRE, Nuremberg was "saved" by Bavaria who acquired the lands and holdings in exchange for making good on the city's debts and defaults.

"Wandle auf Rosen" is on one level a reference to an anonymous Romantic German poem of the era:

Wandle auf Rosen lange Zeit /
bis an das Ufer der Herrlichkeit

Dort stehen Engel mit Sternenkronen /
die werden dir Liebe und Treue belohnen.

The reference is to Psalm 8:6

..."mit Herrlichkeit und Ehre gekrönt"

For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

Roses were a popular subject for many Romantic German and Austrian poets, authors and song-writers, then and after: Heine, von Schiller, Goethe, and many other famous folks all wrote in praise of the virtue of roses and rosebushes.

Nuremberg in particular (along with Bamberg) has a strong association with the Renaissance Romanticism/Mysticism of the Rose Cross (Rosicrucianism), itself descended from and intertwined with other mystic traditions such as John Dee's divine alchemy and even the Freemasons. (Google "Christian Rosenkreuz.") Therefore, a Kreuzer with a rosebush is perhaps also symbolic of that aspect as well.

As a result, the simple invocation to "Walk on roses" can be interpreted in many ways: as a Biblical reference, as a reference to Rosicrucian mysticism, as a reference to Nuremberg's arms (crowned with a rose), or as a lament to the loss of the HRE / the loss of the City's independence as a Free State.
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All those coins are beautiful, we are now back to the 2nd era of US coins, the Heraldic Eagle and flowing hair bust - just classic stuff. Sorry to me the American coin novice I have always seen the first 3 phases as 1. Flowing Hair - Turkey Buzzard era 1793 - 1795/96, 2. Flowing Hair with Heraldic Eagle 1796 - 1807/9 3. Capped Bust era 1807 - 1838 4. Gobrecht era 1836 - 1891 5. Classic era of Morgans, Barbers ete 1878, 1892 - 1915 6. Classy designs era 1916 - 1947 7. Modern Crud 1946 - now.

Can't wait for the Polish collection and as we head back the era of French royalist coins, Swedish silver and those famous Jetons from Netherlands, France and Flanders!

I only have a handful of pieces but the years 1797, 1792, 1789, 1766, 1758, 1753, 1746, 1744, 1709, 1697, 1696, 1688, 1670, 1656 and 1636 will bring coins from me.

Plus come 7th edition, my selection will be better than ever.
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@parlyse, I had no clue that my comment would lead to such history. Loving it!


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Plus come 7th edition, my selection will be better than ever.


@princetane, After the 5th edition I made the same promise to myself. I am now a few years older, my collection is certainly better, and though I have spent a bundle on coins since then, my balance sheet has mysteriously not suffered much ... and of course I am a more learned collector as a result.
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A very beat up (but scarce) 1805 Dime and an Irish bank token for 10p (dated 1805)

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