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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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1752 Great Britain halfpenny:
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Nice halfpenny NumisRob and love all the German coins from this era.

Anyone notice the wiggs start to lengthen in the 1750s. Pretty much from 1760 to 1800 the wigs were the short skullcap type "Perukes" but as we go back they get longer and longer so they are chest length in the 1700 - 1720 era and the 1660 - 1680 they are floor length restoration things. We are in the neck length shoulder puff type phase here.

Then we hit the long hair cavalier collar look and finally by 1625 we are back to the lace ruffs. By 1600 we hit the heart shaped ruffs of good Queen Bess and the long hair is gone by 1590 to be replaced by the Shorter hair look. Then 1550 back to 1450 it lengthens again for the Renaissance hippy hair look.

And we have the phase of those felt caps and jewelled vests and codpieces around 1520 - 1550

The Sheldon in me has always had a thing for historical fashion.
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@paralyse, I love that madonna half thaler. I have a nice madonna from another place for 1700, but I agree that baroque Bavarian design is a real classic.
I also LOVE the crowned and collared cow on @pepac's Mecklenburg coin. It makes me wonder why we don't see something like that on the Wisconsin state flag

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Anyone notice the wiggs start to lengthen in the 1750s

Yes! I also enjoy watching those styles change. I think it was Louis XIV of France who started the REALLY BIG hair fashion of the late 1600s. I have a few from the 1690s and 1710s (though not royal France) that will come up, and I think @erafjel has a bunch. It's interesting that there are relatively few monarchs who buck the trend (Jan Sobieski of Poland was one); mostly they all followed the leader. I like that late Renaissance pageboy look the best.

Poland-Lithuania 1752 1 copper groschen, Grunthal mint:
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For 1752, another Madonna-themed coin, this time a Pfenning from the Free Imperial City of Goslar.

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And here is a 1752-H Escalin (Schelling) from the Austrian Netherlands.

In particular, this is a coin from Liege (Lüttich) struck for Prince-Bishop Johann Theodor von Bayern.

Random Polish Trivia Tidbit: Johann's mother was Theresa Kunegunda Sobieska, daughter of the Polish King Jan III Sobieski.

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If you collect coins from enough places in Europe in medieval to recent times, these webs of family connections can be really fascinating, and ripple through your collection in unexpected ways.
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Here is a Liard from the Austrian Bishopric of Liege dated 1752 AD:

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The copper cousin to my silver escalin!
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1751 -- Kingdom of Portugal and the Algarves, 3 reis:
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Desperately needs new photos, but here is a 1751 CLR 1 Kreuzer from Brandenburg-Bayreuth. A tiny silver coin (14mm and 0.5 grams) minted from 1745-1753.

I can't imagine how people carried any of these little bits around without losing them all the time, or maybe they did lose them all the time!

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1751 liard similar to Spence's, but not nearly as nice!
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Yes those French kings were notorious for their tribute to late 1980s permed hair in the late 1600s.


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This was a man trying to be the greatest warrior of the era!

Even funnier was his homosexual brother - Philippe, also known for inventing the game roulette. Yet in the early days the hair was natural. By 1690 when Louis and his brother were in their 50s, they had wigs made. The last image of Louis XIV from 1714 when he was 76, shows him with a brown hair wig, yet his son (Aged 54 and about to die) has a natural grey perm.

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Philippe's boyfriend the Chevalier d' Lorriane also loved the poodle with a bow look.

Yet Philippe was known to be a great warrior and led the French forces into the field wearing Jewels, make up and sometimes even in drag against the Dutch and various Germans - sometimes he won.

They were in the awesome show Versailles (2017 - 2019) and these actors actually toned down some of the hair and sissiness of them both.

Their father Louis XIII (1600 - 1643) started wearing wigs around 1640 to cover up his hair loss and it caught on in the late 1650s and spread to most of Europe by 1670.
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And now keeping it alive is Brian May (Queen guitarist)
PS I am gay and make snarky fashion comments all the time, call it a weakness

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In the last version of this thread, someone mentioned how Charles XII of Sweden bucked the big hair/crazy wig tradition of the era by having short hair in the early 1700s, yet a 1697 coin of him, showed a massive wig or perm.

Promise coins tomorrow.

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Amazing detail on that tiny kreuzer, @paralyse!

Thank you @Princetane for an interesting account of wig history, I was not aware of the role Louis XIII had in it.

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someone mentioned how Charles XII of Sweden bucked the big hair/crazy wig tradition of the era by having short hair in the early 1700s, yet a 1697 coin of him, showed a massive wig or perm.

Charles XII became king in 1697 at the age of 15, and probably began wearing wigs in line with the fashion of the time. The story goes that when he showed up in front of his (less sophisticated) troops, they could not hide their amusement at the sight of the young king in a big wig, and in anger he threw away his wig and swore never to wear one again. When going to war in 1700 - leaving Swedish soil for 15 years! - he cut his hair short like his soldiers.

I have no Charles XII coins - wish I had - but interesting is that on his coins, he wears a big wig until 1707-08, after that the portrait changes drastically to show him in the short hair style he by then had had for many years.

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First on those hairstyles discussed by @princetane and @erafjel...
We are fortunate to have had the same court painter (Daniel Schultz) for Polish royalty for a long time in the mid-1600s. So, here are his contemporary portraits of kings Jan Casimir (1648-68), Michael Korybut (1669-1673), and Jan Sobieski (1674-1696):
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Building on @erafjel's comment about Charles of Sweden, Sobieski was a brilliant general and Polish military hero before he was king, so maybe his non-adoption of the pan-European hair fashion stems from his military background? (I will have a somewhat boring run of coins with his portrait from 1684 to 1678. But we are getting way ahead of the thread

For 1751, I have this lowly Poland-Lithuania solidus / schilling, the only Polish coin minted this year in the name of Augustus III
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Just when you thought "HFBCWG?" was getting stale, BAM! We enjoy a brief hairstyle tangent!
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