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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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1635 Duchy of Lorraine, teston minted in Florence in the name of Duke Nicolas Francois while in exile.
(yes, that makes this a coin minted in Italy for a German State occupied by France )
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1635 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand II.

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This 2 Liards Deniers is similar to the one in my post from yesterday, only in (slightly) better condition and minted in 1635 AD. Oddly enough, it has been in my collection for almost two decades and I hadn't taken a pic of it until today.


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2 deniers, surely. (Forgot to mention this yesterday.)
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Missing @pepactonius' contributions .

For 1634 I have a pair of coins with connections to the 30 Years' War.
First, this 3 kreuzer coin of Silesia Evangelical Estates, with reverse legend SI DEVS PRO NOBIS QVIS CONTRA NOS ("If God is with us, who could be against us?").
Silesia was a collection of small principalities (Duchies, Counties, Free Cities) whose rulers' historic allegiance was to the King of Bohemia, who in turn was a vassal of the Holy Roman Emperor. As with the Germanic world just to their west, the Protestant Reformation and the Catholic Counter-Reformation wreaked political havoc in this region, where many rulers, and a large percentages of the population had converted to Protestantism, while the secular lord of all, the Holy Roman Emperor, remained Catholic.

Bohemia and Silesia were flashpoints for the 30 Years' War in 1618 (the Defenestration of Prague and subsequent events). I have not been able to find much information on the numismatic history of the Silesia Evangelical Estates, but this appears to have been a league of Protestant nobility who were allied with Saxony and Brandenburg against the Holy Roman emperor. Coins were minted under their authority in 1634-35 in Breslau, which ironically, as an archepiscopal city, was one of the only Catholic strongholds in Silesia.
Very recent acquisition, still the seller's photos.
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Yep my mistake

Here is a 1/24 Thaler from the Swedish-occupied city of Elbing (Polish Confederation) that is dated 1634 AD:

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Little brother (denomination-wise) of @spence's coin:
1634 Swedish occupation of City of Elbing, solidus.

And the link to the 30 Years' War...
As part of a long-running family feud, Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden launched an attack on his cousin, Sigismund III of Poland in 1626. First he took parts of Livonia that had been under Polish rule, and then occupied parts of Polish Prussia (previously known as "Royal Prussia"). In 1629, the Holy Roman Empire, now fully a decade into the 30 Years' War, entered the conflict on the side of (Catholic) Poland, effectively preventing further advances by Gustav. In the 1629 Truce of Altmark, Poland lost Livonia to Sweden, and Sweden also remained in control of a small part of Polish Prussia, including the City of Elbing until 1635, and were granted a right to tax the Polish Baltic shipping trade.
Sweden's position in Polish Prussia, and increased income positioned them for entry in the 30 Years' War the following year, which changed the course of that war.
From a numismatic viewpoint, Polish "royal" issues during this period (1628-1635) are mostly rare thalers, so Polish collectors of limited means gravitate toward these occupation issues, (and one other option we will see in 1630).

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1633 Swedich Occupation of City of Elbing (3/2 overdate)

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lovely pieces.
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1633 Swedish Occupation of City of Elbing (3/2 overdate)

Quite busy we were back in those days

The Swedish King Gustav II Adolf died on the battle field in Lützen 1632. The overdated solidus carries his GA monogram, but by 1634 Queen Christina's CR (Christina Regina) had taken over.

That "three-nation" teston of yours I liked

And all the double deniers, lovely
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I find it interesting to remember there was a time when sovereigns actually leading armies on the battlefield.
I am curious how Gustavus is seen by modern Swedes. From what I read, it seems like he put Sweden into a role as one of the major European powers during the 17th century.
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Gustav II Adolf and Karl/Charles/Carolus XII (king 1697-1718) are the Swedish "warrior kings," or "hero kings" to some. Up until the 1970s or so that was generally the view I would say, by that time some began to question whether it was really so commendable to launch wars on our neighbors ...

Some extreme right wing nationalist groups used them as nationalistic symbols so their reputation has become somewhat tarnished by that. Still, I think most Swedes take a neutral view on them. If not, they are likely to see them in a positive way. Ask an average Swede to name one historic Swedish king, and it will most likely be either of these two or Gustav Vasa (founder of modern Sweden).

November 6 - the day Gustav Adolf was killed on the battle field - is actually celebrated as "Gustavus Adolphus Day" in Sweden. It is not a holiday but there are some minor traditional celebrations around the country, and special Gustav Adolf pastries can be bought in confectioneries.
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Very interesting historical perspective, erafjel. Thank you for sharing.
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