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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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1534 Poland 1 groschen Torun mint.
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Poles know Torun as the birthplace of Copernicus. In 1534, he was living in Frombork (near Elbing), writing De revolutionibus orbium coelestium, his famous treatise on the heliocentric theory of planetary motion, which would be published in 1543 just before his death.
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Another Hungarian Denar for me:

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1534 - Grosz pruski - Sigismund I, West Prussia (Poland)
Torun mint

I believe it's Kopicki 3089 but can't remember.

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I believe it's Kopicki 3089


I think yours is Kop. 3090. Based on what I see in frequency at auctions, it's the less common of the two types for this year. The one I posted is 3089.
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Taking a break from Hungary today. Here is a uniface Pfennig from the German Countship of Oettingen dated 1533 AD:

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1533 Poland 1 grosz/ groschen Torun mint.
(more info on this coinage here: https://goccf.com/t/343460&SearchTe...yal,Prussia)
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1532 New year, same type
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Moving a little eastward today to the German Bishopric of Passau, with this 2 Pfennig dated 1532 AD. I have this uniface coin attributed as Schulten 2644, but I think that it is also in Krause.

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I just realized we have been looking at the digit 2 represented as Z for the entire 16th century without comment!

Before we know it, the 4s will lose their asymmetry, the 5s will lose their curves, and the 7s will topple over!
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1531 Poland 1 groschen, Gdansk mint.
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Good observation about the shape of the number 2 @tdz. You are right that as we dive into the 15th Century, the shape of the numbers will become more variable.

For today, I have a uniface Pfennig from the Austrian state of Steiermark dated 1531 AD:

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Definitely hit the beret/cap thing and the long cropped hair look of the early 16th century. Facial hair is gone.

Funny how this Renaissance page boy look was modelled by rather old and battered looking men like on those Polish coins!

Yes have noticed how numbers look more Arabian/Islamic as we go further back.
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Another Hungarian Denar (dated 1530 AD):

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this Renaissance page boy look was modelled by rather old and battered looking men


Indeed. Sigismund was in his 60s when his first coins with this look were issued. I agree it's a rather creepy look.
But Antoine, Duke of Lorraine (my 1537 coin and an upcoming 1513 coin) first shows up with it in his 20s, Henry VIII and Francois I in their early 30s I think.

1530 was the first year of dated coinage for the Elbing mint, hence this solidus is my last Elbing coin for this thread (however that coat of arms shows up on undated coins from the Elbing mint at least back to the mid-1400s).

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1529 Poland grosz/groschen, Krakow mint.
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