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Spectacular! And a very unusual design for a goldgulden.
None of my medieval gold is dated, though one can be dated to a specific year.

I think 1497 is the first date that's pretty tough. The Brabant coin I hope to eventually nab is probably the most affordable. I've gotten skunked a couple of times, and just need to open my wallet a bit wider. The Pomerania schillings that come up are most often a 1495 that's been misattributed; a real 1497 (the last digit will look like an upside down V) doesn't show up often.
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@tdz, yes 1497 AD is a harder date, although not as hard as 1491 in my experience.

Here is my Half Schilling from the German Imperial City of Noerdlingen. It is attributed as Levinson I-368 and Levinson estimates that there are between 101 and 250 pieces collectible (i.e. in private hands as opposed to museum collections).

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1496 Spanish Netherands / Brabant double patard. W.608 and Levinson II-137
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Nice one @tdz--mine is a bit lightly struck too.

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Added: this Schilling from the German Duchy of Pommerania (Damm mint) is a little more sharp. This one is attributed as Levinson I-352.

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1495 Duchy of Pomerania schilling, Damm mint, same type as the previous post. Levinson I-334, Dann. 383. This is the type I mentioned which is often misattributed as 1497, or occasionally 1491. I guess it is a truncated variant of the "lightning bolt" 5. The engraver also made the upper case M look like an H.

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This Cavallo from the Italian State of Aquilla is not dated, but can be narrowed down to a mint date of 1495 AD. It is attributed as Biaggi 128.

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It must have taken A LOT of cavalli to buy a cavallo

1494 Hildesheim sechsling (I have also seen this described as a bernwardgroschen). Date as XCIIII at 9:00-12:00 obv. Levinson I-316, Bahrf. 14. Probably my scarcest early dated coin.
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Yes quite rare @tdz--looks like between 21 and 50 available for collectors. Well done.

For today, I have a slightly more common Schilling from the German Duchy of Pommerania dated 1494 AD:

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For 1493 I have the same Pomerania type, Levinson I-307, Dann.381.
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Super clear date @tdz--well done. Here is my Half Groschen from the German Archbishopric of Mainz dated 1493 AD. It is attributed as Levinson I-303. A shame that the strike/wear is so uneven.

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Another Schilling from Pomerania from me for today. This one is dated 1492 AD and attributed as Levinson I-288b. it is the less common variant with a retrograde number 2 in the date. It is a relatively new acquisition for me.

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For 1492 I also have a schilling of the Duchy of Pomerania, Damm mint. My last, but I know there is at least one more out here.
Some background for this parade of Griffins ... Pomerania was a territory on the south shore of the Baltic sea straddling broadly the mouth of the Oder River. Here is a map of how the historic region aligns with the borders of modern Germany and Poland:
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Originally settled by Slavic peoples, by late medieval time it was a set of small German principalities (Pomerania-Stettin, Pomerania-Wolgast, Pomerania-Stolp) ruled by members of the "House of Griffin" (possibly a branch of the Polish Piasts), and constantly under attack from the west (Mecklenburg and Brandenburg) and south (Silesia).
Bogislaw X, who issued all the coins we have seen the last two weeks, managed to unify these small entities as a single Duchy of Pomerania for the 45 years of his reign (1478-1523). At this time, the town of Damm (today in Germany's Meklenburg-West Pomerania region) marked the western edge of the Duchy, and Slupsk (today in Poland's Pomerania voivodeship) the eastern limit. On Bogislaw's death, fragmentation of the duchy began anew.
Though not as affordable as Poland-Lithuania coins, Bogislaw X issued dated coins almost continuously from 1489-1523, making them attractive types for collectors of early dated coins. Starting in 1500, coins were only minted in Stettin, the largest city. From 1489-1498 there are dated coins from the Garz and Damm mints, and in 1499 from both Damm and Stettin.
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Nice! My last coin to post before taking a break tomorrow is this half Schwertgroschen from the German Duchy of Saxony. It was minted at Freiburg and is attributed as Levinson I-290.

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T've been impressed that you have multiple examples of several pre-1500 dates!
This is the only year where I have 2. If I recall correctly, I had a mail bid in at an auction on the Brabant coin, when I found the Pomerania coin elsewhere and decided to buy it before it disappeared.
1492 Burgundian Netherlands/Brabant, briquet, ANtwerp mint. Levinson II-131, W.588
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I've been impressed that you have multiple examples of several pre-1500 dates!


Forget OFEY, how about TFEY?
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