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What is the actual threshold for when we admit defeat and start edition 7.
I think we should have some new rules for edition 7.
1. No more than 10 coins per person a year and no more than 5 in a single country unless its a "set" photo.
2. These rules ease once we get before 1792.
3. Preference for circulating coins over commems.
4. The same coin can not be shown by more than 3 people in a year (As to eliminate the absolute pile up in 1936 of American commem halves).
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What is the actual threshold for when we admit defeat and start edition 7. I suggest we admit defeat here. Leave five open, close six, start seven.  Quote:
I think we should have some new rules for edition 7. I am not sure they are necessary; however, our loyal group deserves to have input so I will entertain this discussion.  |
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Hmmm. I thought we would have had more comments by now.  |
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Sorry for the delayed response @jbuck. It is a bummer to ponder us getting truly stuck but it seems like we are there. Overall, I'm personally pretty happy with the current rule set and feel like placing limits on the number or type of coins that folks can post is sorta counterproductive. With that said we definitely do get a large bonus of US coins early on. This obviously reflects the overall collections of those here at CCF that are choosing to participate and may or may not reflect the collection of any one individual member. I'm also unsure why we would down-prioritize commemoratives to favor circulating coinage. Perhaps @pt would like to offer a rationale for some of his proposed changes? "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Quote:Hmmm. I thought we would have had more comments by now. Sorry, lost my browser tabs and then forgot to log in for a while. I think it's too early for "truly stuck". We've been stuck for months before and gotten out nevertheless. I'd personally wait for at least a year since the last update (i.e. until October 2022). Even if we are stuck (and, again, it might be too early to tell) I really don't like the idea of closing down either edition; otherwise if someone does show up with a 1486 coin they won't be able to post it for several years. For what it's worth, an online search does find this coin. Does the date look correct, and if so, does anyone want to buy it? It's a very intriguing type (Emirate of Granada, just a few years before final conquest), and if I was able to (and was confident of the attribution) I'd buy it myself, to be honest. But I don't think I still have any working payment methods. Quote:Overall, I'm personally pretty happy with the current rule set and feel like placing limits on the number or type of coins that folks can post is sorta counterproductive. With that said we definitely do get a large bonus of US coins early on. This obviously reflects the overall collections of those here at CCF that are choosing to participate and may or may not reflect the collection of any one individual member.  I was under the impression that the large quantity of US coins really picks up by the earlier 20th century, and for later dates people tend to pick something more interesting than mere circulating coinage. In other words, a preference for circulating coins over commems would mean we'd be flooded by US coins throughout the entire early part. Nope. I'd rather see something interesting. |
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I don;t think we need a rule change for the occasional year we get a "pile up" as mentioned. Quote:
Marco Barbarigo, reigned from September 1485 to August 1486. If I understand the rules of this thread correctly, this would qualify any of his coins that is not otherwise dated for the year 1486.... I'm not sure if anyone here has any. I've got the name on a watch list. As you say, I can find a 2020 sale of a very attractive silver coin that went for $240. I am guessing there are OFER collectors for Venice that will ensure there is always high demand for his coins. @spence, did you spring for that 1491 Nordlingen goldgulden? |
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@spence, did you spring for that 1491 Nordlingen goldgulden? Did not, but I'm very happy to have added a 1491-dated Groschen to my collection. That year has been #1 on my list for a decade or so. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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I said the rule on commems as some of us do not have lightning fast modems or supercomputers.
NZ has a very basic fibre network and computers can not go over 100Mbps.
Last time when we had like 3 or 4 people showing the sme 10 - 15 USA Commem halves each day - it bogged my computer down and I found it hard to post as it could not keep up.
I am sure other people had this problem too. I know most of you collect USA, but seeing the same 20 1936 halves 5 times in a row was tedious (Then again I accept you guys got sick of King George V and Queen Victoria too).
But it was a suggestion, my thruppence worth, not a blanket declaration. I and others will just have to lump the USA log jam we will get back to say 1829 when the American coins get rare and expensive.
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I said the rule on commems as some of us do not have lightning fast modems or supercomputers.
NZ has a very basic fibre network and computers can not go over 100Mbps.
Last time when we had like 3 or 4 people showing the sme 10 - 15 USA Commem halves each day - it bogged my computer down and I found it hard to post as it could not keep up. Ooh! But we already have rules about that, rules 7 and 8 in the OP. As far as I can tell they should be enough to avoid most of the problems. Maybe they should be better enforced. Hoping to see 1486 here eventually. I also want the 7th edition to start, I just want this one to catch up first. |
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I really don't like the idea of closing down either edition I will only allow two HFBCWG topics at a time. If I allow three, then everyone will clamor for a fourth when the open ones get stuck at 1460, 1486, and 1491. To be clear, there are only two options for getting a seventh edition... We either wait until the sixth catches the fifth or lock the sixth prematurely. Quote:
But we already have rules about that, rules 7 and 8 in the OP. As far as I can tell they should be enough to avoid most of the problems.  Quote:
Maybe they should be better enforced. If you see something, say something.  |
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There was little enforcement of those rules. It was enforced to around the 1960s I remember and then before that, people went wild. We got to page 100 by 1937 and page 200 we were in the 1880s or something. Generally the numbers of Commem, Halves, Morgan dollars and gold Eagles died off in the 1870s when they become rarer. If we look at this thread, it is amazing how quickly we went from the years 1789 back to the 1500s. 1789 is the rubicon year as its the beginning of American coinage, tokens from the UK and French revolutionary issues. Also before that year generally, coins were less international and more localised (Not being factory made). |
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Out of interest, I decided to do a summary of how quickly we went back in this thread. Every 25 pages I recorded the year of the first coin, or the first coin shown on the page, providing it was not a waffle post or repost of another coin. Page 25 - 1969 (Then 1968) 50 - 1950 75 - 1941 100 - 1933 (Although 2nd post was 1934 Johnny come lately) 125 - 1924 150 - 1916 175 - 1906 200 - 1896 Morgan dollar 1st 225 - 1884 More Morgan dollars250 - 1871 275 - 1855 Seated Liberty 300 - 1832 Capped Bust 325 - 1804 350 - 1764 375 - 1700 400 - 1635 425 - 1522 434 - 1488/7 Last 3 pages appeal for 1486 coins. What it shows is the first 55 years went very quickly as generally modern coins are not as popular as older ones. When we hit the 1940s, things slowed down and 95% of the coins from 1950 back to 1850 were either American or British Empire (about 70% American, mostly commem halves, Morgan dollars, wheat and eagle pennies - but all types represented). The pages 50 to 250 saw us move back just 79 years, at one stage we moved back just one year every 2.5 pages. The smallest gap was just 8 years between 1941 and 1933 and then 1916 to 1924, 2 periods with high numbers of American commem halves and then the early Mercury/Standing Lib and Walkers/Peace dollars era. There was also a short 22 year gap in 50 pages during 1884 - 1906 which was the golden era of the Morgan dollar. Once we got back before the 1880s, the years went faster and once we got back before 1800 it sped up. In fact the period 1764 to 1522 was covered in just 75 pages or an average of 3.2 years a page. The 17th century was despatched in just 68 pages and 16th century in 49 pages. Hope you all found that interesting. |
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Hope you all found that interesting. I did! It helps to fill the void while we wait for Gallienus, Zohar444, or someone else come along with their 1486. |
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April Bump! We Need a coin from 1486 C. E. (A. H. 891) |
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