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List of upcoming sticking points, corrected for French emissions: 1460, 1453, 1452, 1435, 1432, 1430, 1429, 1425, 1424, 1418, 1416, 1415, 1408, 1406, 1402, and the dates we do have are extremely spotty for a while after that.
1429 was very awkward: as far as I could tell, the minting period for the posted coin was 13.08.1429-24.08.1430. Just a few days over a year, and mostly in 1430 anyway.
AFAICT all the other French emissions posted were either under a year, or for years that included otherwise datable coins.
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Yes sorry not paying close enough attention to this thread. Here is my coin from 1458 AD. It comes from the Austrian Duchy of Styria and is dated 1458 AD. I have attributed it as Levinson IV-5a. The obv legend is FRI D G RO IMPERATOR while the rev legend is MONETA IN GREZ 1&78. Both the 4 and 5 are archaic forms of those numbers.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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I apologize, hadn't realized you didn't get it! No problem. Apparently I wasn't very clear about that. I was just concerned I was unknowingly holding up the progress  |
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Here is my coin from 1458 AD. It comes from the Austrian Duchy of Styria and is dated 1458 AD.  Moving on...  |
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Looking for 1457 C. E. (A. H. 861) |
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I should probably make a listing of who has which date, at least until 1435... so that we could know who's holding us up this time  (when I figure it out I'll probably either edit this post, or make a new one if it takes a while) |
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when I figure it out I'll probably either edit this post, or make a new one if it takes a while Just add a new one so it bumps the topic either way. If it takes more than 24 hours, you will have to anyway.  |
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This... is bad. (And took me a good two hours, it seems.)
Here's the situation up to 1429...
1457 - Spence
1456 - Spence
1455 - EddieDiz; Spence's coin is a confusing French emission
1454 - Spence
1453 - bd251
1452 - january1may
1451 (AH 855) - Grinya (if there was any other I couldn't find it)
1450 - Spence, tdziemia
1449 - Spence
1448 - Spence
1447 - Spence
1446 - EddieDiz, JohnConduitt
1445 (AH 849) - ...do we have this one? Spence's coin is a confusing French emission and I couldn't find any other
1444 - EddieDiz, Spence
1443 - EddieDiz, tdziemia; Spence claimed to have this but posted no pics
1442 - EddieDiz
1441 - EddieDiz, Spence
1440 - EddieDiz; since then also acquired by tdziemia
1439 - EddieDiz, Spence
1438 - EddieDiz, Spence
1437 - EddieDiz, Spence
1436 - EddieDiz
1435 (AH 838) - JohnConduitt posted a coin that could be plausibly from that year, but otherwise we don't appear to have this
1434 - EddieDiz
1433 - EddieDiz
1432 (AH 835) - we don't have this one AFAICT
1431 - Spence
1430 (AH 833) - a French emission coin from this year but the minting range is a few days too long
1429 (AH 832) - we don't have this one AFAICT
I stopped here for now because I'm not sure if we really need data past this point. Our next gap after that is 1425.
For 1445, the situation is awkward; I couldn't find any data on the exact minting period for the coin, but it does show up as "ND (1445)" in auctions. The next emission was in 1447.
I somehow missed this coin in my previous check of French emissions...
(Spence's coin for 1455 is even less clear, but there we have some datable Hungarian coins from EddieDiz.)
1451 had Grinya post an Ottoman coin from 855 AH and AFAICT nobody else had anything from that date. Grinya apparently got himself banned in June for posting a link to a disallowed website.
So yeah, we might be missing that one too, and might not get to 1450 for a while.
(1410 and 1404 are the next two dates that become gaps with the absence of Grinya; everything else in the 15th century either was a gap regardless or had something posted by someone else.
In the 1390s, on the other hand, Grinya was responsible for most of what little coverage we had... but it'll be a while until we get there.)
[EDIT: added some post-2021 news.]
[EDIT 2: clarified the 1380s situation; it's a lot less dire than I thought. I'll probably make an updated post later, covering the range 1429-1350 or thereabouts.]
Edited by january1may
01/25/2023 4:15 pm
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Excellent work, J1M! |
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I have AH 854, 848, and 836.
Edit: I also have an AH 814 (or possibly 819) coin on its way. I should be able to determine once I have it in hand (date partially off flan)
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01/25/2023 6:37 pm
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Strong work as usual @j1m. This Hungarian Denar is datable to the year 1457 AD. I have attributed it as Huszar 668 and Frynas H.33.37.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Excellent work, J1M! Great to have an archivist! Earlier in the 1400s I've got:: 1428, 1427 1419 1409, 1407, 1405, 1403 |
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Now that we're at 1457, I can finally post this coin...  Free City of Nürnberg, AR uniface pfennig (15x13 mm) Double arms with suspension above; below, gothic N with annulets on each side Numista 132930, where attributed to 1457; other catalogs/auctions apparently vary between "1457-59", "1457-1464", and "after 1457" reportedly Kellner 118, though I don't recall if I ever found the book to confirm I apologize for the rotated pic; it was the right way up when uploaded and I don't think I ever bothered to do proper pics. I could check my photo archive, I guess. Certainly can't re-photograph it now... Listing of gaps is in progress. I'm now up to the 1390s but want to get a little further than that because the 1380s and 1370s are a lot better covered. |
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Detailed situation on who has what, part 2, covering 1429 to 1307...
1429 (AH 832) - none found
1428 - tdziemia
1427 - Spence, tdziemia
1426 - Spence
1425 (AH 828) - none found
1424 (AH 827) - none found
1423 - Spence
1422 - Spence
1421 - Spence
1420 - Spence
1419 - Spence; later acquired by tdziemia
1418 (AH 821) - none found
1417 - Spence
1416 (AH 819) - none found (but bd251's new acquisition could be that)
1415 (AH 818) - none found
1414 - erafjel
1413 - erafjel
1412 - JohnConduitt
1411 - Spence
1410 (AH 813) - Grinya (and no others)
1409 - JohnConduitt; later acquired by tdziemia
1408 (AH 811) - none found
1407 - tdziemia (and Grinya)
1406 (AH 809) - none found
1405 - JohnConduitt, Spence; later acquired by tdziemia
1404 (AH 806) - Grinya (and no others)
1403 - tdziemia
1402 to 1399 (AH 804 to 801) - none found
1398 - JohnConduitt
1397 (AH 799) - Grinya (and no others)
1396 (AH 798) - none found
1395 (AH 797) - Grinya (and no others)
1394 to 1392 (AH 796 to 794) - none found
1391 - Grinya (and no others)
1390 (AH 792) - none found
1389 (AH 791) - none found
1388 (AH 790) - Grinya (and no others)
1387 - january1may
1386 - JohnConduitt
1385 - EddieDiz (and Grinya)
1384 - tdziemia
1383 - EddieDiz, JohnConduitt, Spence (and Grinya)
1382 - Collects82
1381 (AH 783) - none found
1380 - JohnConduitt (and Grinya)
1379 to 1377 (AH 781 to 779) - none found
1376 - tdziemia
1375 - Spence (and Grinya)
1374 - january1may
1373 - tdziemia
1372 (AH 773) - none found
1371 (AH 772) - none found
1370 - JohnConduitt
1369 - JohnConduitt (and Grinya)
1368 (AH 769) - none found
1367 (AH 768) - none found
1366 (AH 767) - Grinya (and no others)
1365 - JohnConduitt (and Grinya)
1364 (AH 765) - none found
1363 - JohnConduitt, tdziemia (and Grinya)
1362 - JohnConduitt
1361 - JohnConduitt (and Grinya)
1360 - JohnConduitt (and Grinya)
1359 - JohnConduitt (and Grinya)
1358 - JohnConduitt (and Grinya)
1357 (AH 758) - Grinya (Spence's coin is apparently unclear in attribution? I couldn't quite tell)
1356 (AH 757) - none found
1355 (AH 756) - Grinya (and no others)
1354 (AH 755) - none found
1353 (AH 754) - Grinya (and no others)
1352 (AH 753) - Grinya (and no others)
1351 - JohnConduitt (and Grinya)
1350 (AH 751) - Grinya (and no others)
1349 - JohnConduitt (and Grinya)
1348 (AH 749) - Grinya (and no others)
1347 - tdziemia (and Grinya)
1346 - JohnConduitt, Spence (and Grinya)
1345 (AH 746) - Grinya (and no others)
1344 - tdziemia
1343 - tdziemia, Spence
1342 (AH 743) - Grinya (and no others)
1341 (AH 742; AH 741?) - Grinya (and no others)
1340 - Spence?
1339 - tdziemia
1338 - EddieDiz, Spence, tdziemia
1337 - tdziemia (and Grinya)
1336 (AH 736) - none found
1335 (AH 735) - none found
1334 - january1may, tdziemia
1333 - Spence
1332 (AH 732) - Grinya (and no others)
1331 (AH 731) - Grinya (and no others)
1330 - EddieDiz?
1329 - Spence, tdziemia
1328 (AH 728) - none found
1327 - Spence (and Grinya)
1326 (AH 726) - Grinya (and no others)
1325 - tdziemia (and Grinya)
1324 (AH 724) - none found
1323 (AH 723) - january1may?
1322 (AH 722) - Grinya (and no others)
1321 (AH 721) - Grinya (and no others)
1320 - Spence; JohnConduitt (frozen date; also posted by Grinya)
1319 - Spence
1318 (AH 718) - Grinya (and no others)
1317 (AH 717) - Grinya (and no others)
1316 to 1314 (AH 716 to 714) - none found
1313 (AH 713) - Grinya (and no others)
1312 (AH 712) - none found
1311 - Spence
1310 (AH 710) - Grinya (and no others)
1309 (AH 709) - none found
1308 (AH 708) - Grinya (and no others, though see below)
AH 707 (1308 or 1307 AD, conversions vary) - JohnConduitt
I decided to stop here for now; our next non-gap is well into the 1290s, and I'd be surprised if we get that far anytime soon.
1410 is a funny case. Grinya's coin was dated AH 812 - a year of which a slight majority fell into 1409 AD - but was limited to (mostly) 1410 by an intersection with a reign. AFAICT no one posted a coin from AH 813.
The 1390s are really bad (from 1402 until 1388, inclusive, we seem to only have one non-Grinya entry) and remarked upon as such in the original thread; apparently the usual European options almost entirely dry up for this decade. Unfortunately I cannot help there any more. Grinya mostly posted Timurid coins (and indeed my 1387 is also Timurid) so that might be an area to look into.
AFAICT Spence's 1340 coin (which is a French emission) was legitimately dated to 1340 (specifically, April 1340 to January 1341). I'm not very confident though.
Meanwhile, Spence's "1346-47" coin is a French emission dated to a period of April 1346 to February 1347, and thus assigned to 1346. Not a gap but still a nice coin!
EddieDiz's 1330 denar apparently varies in attribution across the catalogs... but the recent ones seem to confidently assign it to 1330.
The year AH 741 corresponds, as I recall, to something like July 1340 - June 1341; it's divided into two nearly equal halves by the AD year boundary, and IIRC which of those halves is larger depends on whether we're taking a Julian or Gregorian AD year.
AH 742 is definitely (just barely) mostly in 1341 though and (as mentioned above) we appear to have 1340 covered in another way.
AH 707 is in a similar conversion mess and there it's the only coin we (still) have for the decade, so I tried to notate it in a special way.
As for my own AH 723 coin... the photos have spots of glare on them, AFAIK I never did take it out of the 2x2, and the date is about 90% off flan with only the top of the supposed 3 showing. I never figured out if it was really dated 723.
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This Hungarian Denar is datable to the year 1457 AD. I have attributed it as Huszar 668 and Frynas H.33.37. Fantastic! Quote:
Detailed situation on who has what, part 2, covering 1429 to 1307... Amazing! |
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