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1898 Morgan Dollar Toned Beautifully Imo. Grade/Comments

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Another toned Morgan I got last year. Named this one "Dark Knight". Just sent to PCGS with 16 others for grading. Once again, I wish you could see this one in hand. Pictures capture almost no luster and mirror imaging. Disappointing.

Only the fields radiate the deep darkish multi-iridescant colors. Eagle and devices evenly and fully frosted. Reverse is ridiculously colorful and deep. Clean. Another 3D hologram like luster. Crazy.

Bust and devices lightly frosted but even as well.

Fields all mirror like. Fairly certain it will get a PL designation.

In spite of some even wear on Obverse mostly, it is a beauty. Anyway, any thoughts. Will post Slab when returned.
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 Posted 06/12/2020  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS63 or 64. Reverse looks a bit chatter stricken. Probably best to grade in hand.
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Ah..new one. What is chatter stricken in context of a coin? There is a bit of reeding from bag hit. Couple of do dads here and there. But in hand very smooth from the mirror image.

I'll tell ya Grape...from you a MS63/64? I am encouraged!! Haha. Appreciate it.
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06/12/2020 02:43 am
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Looks MS-65 to me. Caveat is it can be challenging to grade toned coins without highly detailed photos. That said, photos show lots of luster booming through, minimal chatter, and some cameo.
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Toning really makes grading from pics just a guess, but I'll say MS-65.
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Looks like a tough one to photograph. I'll say MS-64, probably PL.
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OK....I'm in 64/65 range only on technicals, having advantage of in-hand. But I am hoping here for the human factor to kick it up one grade by the TPG seeing it in-hand and having the eye appeal factor help it along. But, I am sure there are TPG's that love, impartial, hate toning, as many collectors. The human factor. lol. So we will find out. I would say in about 3-4 weeks. Coins should be getting there any day. PCGS says though open, consider delays from the obvious. They could surprise though with a faster turn around. 17 coins, a couple error coins, so I am not sure if they mail them all back together. I am thinking yes since I paid for the Insurance and shipping up front. (I am working on better picture methods for future coins) Thx.
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Hard to tell what marks are hidden by the toning in these photos. MS-64 is my guess but 65 would not surprise me.
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Very pretty coin. I'll give it 64PL based solely on what I can see in your pictures.
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If you ever sell this one, drop me a PM with the link!
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the 98(P) are sharp and bold. the reverse looks good for strike but the obverse is a little short on strike on the highest points of the devices. based on the photos I cant see how anyone can determine a PL designation. I'm sure it looks better in hand. I'm in the MS64 box as its tough to see any marks or scratches under that toning. the cheek does look pretty clean so it may push a notch up
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64-65. Love to see the toning in person some day!
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Here ya go on this Morgan. MS-63

I will post Slab once it arrives. I admit, I thought it would get maybe that MS-64/65 PL designation, but not this time around. Had a strong reflective mirror, so who knows. But there ya go.

I will be posting as I pull them up on other posted in the past.

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very attractive coin regardless but looks under graded to me
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Every coin I received the Trueview images for thus far, are receiving the same comments. Friends. Other coin folks I know. And here on CC. Go look at my 1925 50C Stone Mountain post from 2019 (2nd page to see my post), and look at the pictures I posted, and see if you think that is one unreal Grade compared to PCGS's other same/similar grades. It's my poster child now for massive inconsistency in my fist grading experience.

Even my 1917 FB Mercury I believe, as others, was undergraded by 2 to 3 grades. I am considering Re-Submittal's, or send to NGC instead, and see if there will be any difference, just as a test so to speak (Though I may leave the 1917 MS63 FB as is). A few were called cleaned. Two I suspected, but not the others. Very disappointed.

I have no problem with some variations, but this was IMO a very nconsistent event. Not losing sleep over it. I will do some experiments by sending to other TPG's and see what happens. I purposely (and smartly IMO) checked the box to NOT slab any rejects. So they will be bagged. I will send to NGC/ANACS raw and see what they say. This is my learning and now testing phase as I call it.

Some will disagree and say stop your whining. . Haha That's ok. But I have eyes to. Not an expert. But common sense comes into play at times. This is one of them IMO. Hey....when I get results...again, I will post. Good or bad. Learning for everyone. See what happens. Will be interesting. If same result, or close? Then just need to be far more discriminating in coin choice. I like slabbed coins. But not if inconsistent results continually happen. Need more gradings experiences to see how it all pans out. Ok...onward.
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