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Update On 1992 D Close AM Grade

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 Posted 08/24/2020  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grelko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice find, I'm still looking for one.


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I may be wrong but I think 2 Graders look at the coin


In the PCGS video linked on page 2, why are they touching the coins with bare hands?

Sort of makes me not want to ship things to them, seeing that collectors on here say that you should wear cotton gloves, so you don't get oils from your fingers on the coin. That would include the sides of the coin too, wouldn't you think?

Edit - Why cotton though, why not non-powdered latex or nitrile etc? Can't cotton leave micro scratches, since the fibers can get clumped up over time and make the glove rough?
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 Posted 08/24/2020  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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In the PCGS video linked on page 2, why are they touching the coins with bare hands?


Because cotton gloves, although they provide protection to the edge of the coin, make it more likely the grader will lose control of the coin, drop it and cause damage.

The graders usually spin the coin around in different directions while viewing the coin and cotton gloves make controlling the coin while spinning it difficult.
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 Posted 08/24/2020  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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ollectors on here say that you should wear cotton gloves, so you don't get oils from your fingers on the coin. That would include the sides of the coin too, wouldn't you think?


I never have, nor will I ever. It's a lot easier to drop them with any form of gloves on. The rims aren't an issue. It's called being well disciplined I've handled 10k + raw MS coins before without gloves, there's never been an issue. It's like trigger discipline but with coins.


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Why cotton though, why not non-powdered latex or nitrile etc? Can't cotton leave micro scratches, since the fibers can get clumped up over time and make the glove rough?


Latex and nitrile can have PVC and other corrosives in them. And yes on the second part.


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Because cotton gloves, although they provide protection to the edge of the coin, make it more likely the grader will lose control of the coin, drop it and cause damage.


This is a better way to say what I meant.


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The graders usually spin the coin around in different directions while viewing the coin and cotton gloves make controlling the coin while spinning it difficult.


Yup. I spin coins when I grade them as well. A very helpful little trick for evaluating surfaces.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grelko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the information guys.

My main concern with touching coins with bare hands (even on the rims), was that I wondered if the oils on your hands, could slowly corrode the coins over the years, since the PH of skin is slightly acidic.

I'm sure there's numerous other factors that contribute to the corrosion much faster though, like sunlight, cigarette smoke, or even the greasy air from cooking food for example.

You're right though. I would rather have the grader touch the edges of the coin, instead of accidentally dropping it and possibly leaving a dent from having it hitting the edge of the table or another coin.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you have oily hands or acidic sweat, just get in the habit of washing your hands before handling. Doing that, only making contact with the rim and you'll be fine.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grelko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been washing my hands before and after working with coins. Especially knowing that they're customer rolls, plus the metallic smell of the coins themselves.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm not saying they don't sell for more in their little coffins, but if you are resubmitting coins and they are consistently giving you different graders, I most certainly wouldn't call it a solidified grade. In fact since you agree the grading can change, it seems to me that you agree TPG's are arbitrary, and if the grades are arbitrary, you are submitting them just for the plastic.

Your learning quickly. Yes it isn't about solidifying the grade, its trying to get the highest grade possible on the label so you can sell it for more, because it seems most buyers don't trust their own opinions and need their hands held. You can have an AU coin that a buyer poo poo's and won't even consider, get it slabbed as MS (and possibly overgraded) and that same buyer will now pay big bucks for the exact same coin. Why? Because he doesn't know what he is buying and/or doesn't trust his own opinion. All he REALLY knows is what it says on the label and he bases his buying on that.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Taylorism to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin arrived at my house today. Has a big scuff on the holder right over the obverse of the coin! That's annoying.
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You can have an AU coin that a buyer poo poo's and won't even consider, get it slabbed as MS (and possibly overgraded) and that same buyer will now pay big bucks for the exact same coin. Why? Because he doesn't know what he is buying and/or doesn't trust his own opinion. All he REALLY knows is what it says on the label and he bases his buying on that.


No offense, but that seems less than honest. You know it's an AU coin, people who spend a lot of time around coins know it's an Au coin, but those who are new or not quite involved in the hobby are trusting the others opinion of the grader. Also buyers would probably be more willing to buy AU coins if there wern't inflated "MS" coins.
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