Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsCoin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall 300,000 items to help build your collection! Specializing in Modern Numismatics Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes.








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Anyone Know About This 1909 VDB?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 45 / Views: 4,410Next Topic
Page: of 3
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When you look beneath the we you can see the change in angle towards the rim. Looks beveled. The edge is beveled also
Anyone-Know-About-This-1909-VDB?
To me those don't look like ejection lines either
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks macmercury and coop. It looks like the die cutters tapered the dies little by little to remove the vdb with as minimal damage as possible. I'm thinking they took off some struck a few coins to see what it looked like then continued their task. Some believe the vdb dies were left untouched and they waited for new dies to strike 1909 cents without the initials. This looks like they were worked on in the meantime
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Anyone-Know-About-This-1909-VDB?
I tried to post this with the last pic but it didn't go through so here's another look
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Anyone-Know-About-This-1909-VDB?
Looking at the line above vdb it somewhat mirrors the obverse anomaly. I don't know why they would taper the dies but keep in mind the controversial initials they were possibly trying to remove. Note the weakness in we and the strength on the date and liberty. I agree the dies may be tapered but I think it was a deliberate endeavor. Some say they have seen abraded vdb's but there is no evidence of any to my knowledge. This is a supposed variety. Just seeing if this is what it looks like. Thanks to all
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also although I don't know what counting machine damage would look like from the era but I'm fairly confident the lines would not be so haphazard. These lines are nowhere near straight like we normally encounter. I don't think they had counting machines back then. Counting machine damage normally occurs far from the rim.
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or the die polisher altered that that area. Why? Not a clue. But if the polisher hit that area, it would remove metal from that area of the die and the gutter would be even more shallow than the rest of the die.
Anyone-Know-About-This-1909-VDB?
Edited by coop
02/14/2022 6:53 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again coop. If the gutter was cut into more metal would flow into the said area resulting in a swollen area. With all the issues on this coin I was going to send it in and see if it's something. In hand it looks to be a half removed vdb which I have not seen or have no knowledge to exist. If this is a new variety then I think that would merit attribution. Opinions from the experts here matter to me that's why I'm asking. Would this be worth grading in anyone's opinion? As a novice I'm still on the fence although everything looks good
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Anyone-Know-About-This-1909-VDB?
The edge looks fairly clean and beveled. I'm still looking for the picture where you can clearly see the same abrasions on the outside that appear on the inside of the rim on top of the rim and the outside of the rim. I think that would be conclusive this is an abraded vdb and new variety. As I said I'm new at all this so please correct me if I'm wrong
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No disrespect. I love this place and honor all here especially those who take time out of their day to straighten out us green guys and gals. Thank you
Pillar of the Community
silviosi's Avatar
Canada
6244 Posts
 Posted 02/14/2022  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no see this coin in my hand. So by photos, VDB, the traces sound the Serbian fake. Also the end of the wheat, by the photos. I am not sure but seem to be.

@RW: Try to compare the genuine AMERICA with your coin. There make me balance.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/15/2022  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks silviosi. Could be fake could be damaged or could be something else. Got this from ebay. I couldn't resist the toning so I bought it. I noticed the anomaly when I received the coin. I wouldn't know the difference between a genuine or counterfeit Wheat cent so here's a photo for your comparison. Looks like more verticle abrasions on the obverse also. I couldn't find the one pic of the outside rim I was looking for though
Anyone-Know-About-This-1909-VDB?
Anyone-Know-About-This-1909-VDB?
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 02/15/2022  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, it is consider a problem for the coin. Not a plus for the coin. When you get a better one, you will replace it. Not good thing for the coin.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/15/2022  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coop. It was listed as au so I didn't expect much more than what I got. I'm going to keep this one because of the toning even after I get a better example. One of my favorite coins to own
Pillar of the Community
silviosi's Avatar
Canada
6244 Posts
 Posted 02/16/2022  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@RW. Sorry yesterday I was busy. If your coin has the same color it is a beauty. when you put your coin with the other for compare, you can see your really it is an Serbian. When I say look for word America, their it is the clue. The wheat also, but is hard to see by photos.

To explain: The genuine word of AMERICA has the main marc that AMER bottom line is strait, then the rest is strait lower. Second : Up all the letter are aligned strait. Third: the inclination and distances of the letters ICA. I think I give you enough clue to distingue the real from fake.

PS: the toned coin show for the compare, is legitim color only for bronze penny, and not for others who are brass, and it is rare. It occurs in some specific cases of the environment.
Edited by silviosi
02/16/2022 3:25 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
1207 Posts
 Posted 02/16/2022  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks silviosi. No rush I've had the coin a few years but thanks for replying. It could be a fake. This was one of the first coins I purchased so I was new to buying coins. As you stated it is a beauty though. Maybe I'll send it to anacs and save a buck or two on the grading fees
  Previous TopicReplies: 45 / Views: 4,410Next Topic
Page: of 3

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 1.01 seconds to rattle this change. Forums