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From the perspective of a preservationist, any of the cleaning and dipping techniques used irreversibly remove metal from the surface of the coin that cannot be replaced, so some degree of surface features and detail is lost forever. While market forces may currently encourage this activity, I can only see it as being bad for the hobby long term, as coins with original surfaces are lost - just look at the market for trade/seated liberty dollars. It's not too charitable to refer to this kind of view as being elitist or anything to that effect, when in reality it is held mainly from a point of view of preserving our numismatic artifacts for posterity.

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Depends on the definition of "bad". If you are a collector of original surface coins, your coins will get more and more valuable as the remaining supply of those coins is destroyed by cleaning and re-toning.
Just imagine you own a very nice Mint State Flowing Hair Dollar bought for 80K or so. Now, a bunch of (insane) people clean the remaining 50,000 or so Draped Bust coins blast white.
How much money do you think YOUR coin is going to be worth after this? Millions? Tens of millions?
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Oh No! Those diagnoal bands are gone after dipping.
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Just imagine you own a very nice Mint State Flowing Hair Dollar bought for 80K or so. Now, a bunch of (insane perhaps misguided) people clean the remaining 50,000 or so Draped Bust coins blast white. How much money do you think YOUR coin is going to be worth after this? Millions? Tens of millions?
Yes, to follow your hypothetical, one could certainly be rich in the end as they are left with the only original coin in a given series. Reminds me of the Truffula trees in the Lorax....
and all coins were dipped until none with original skin (or just few) remained.

Is the goal of coin collecting to become rich? Under this hypothesis, there would be no more original coins to collect and one's hobby would essentially end.
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I don't think there one singular goal of coin collecting. But for some, the objective is to assemble a set of coins with the idea of selling it for much more than the original cost.
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ok, there is a sub set of dealers, who buy toned, and or details coins, and break them out of their holders, and doctor them, aka, dip them, artificially tone them, etc.. it has been happening for years and will continue, as long as they make a profit from doing so..

Fortunately for us as buyers/collector's, you can usually tell by looking at their inventory, those who doctor coins, don't usually do one offs..
It is a pattern and easily identified..

So the long and short of it is, buy what you like. And always buy with your eyes open..
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