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Pennies are the coppery coins I spend, cents are the coppery coins I collect. To the uneducated they would appear to be very similar.
I love it!
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smarmy
adjective
unpleasantly and excessively suave or ingratiating in manner or speech



Yeh I had to go look it up also.
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In the UK there are legal limits to how much of each denomination you can use as legal tender. In other words you can't be a smart*** and pay all in pennies (Yes I meant pennies!)

Why do you get upset if someone refers to a cent as a penny and yet don't mind calling it a Buffalo nickel? (Should be bison!)

Also why do you not mind when they say copper cent when most of the time they mean bronze!

Just wondered?
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and yet don't mind calling it a Buffalo nickel? (Should be bison!)
I will let Wikipedia explain and you can make your own decision... And yes, parts of it are misspelled!

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The American Bison (Bison bison) is a bovine mammal, also commonly known as the American buffalo. "Buffalo" is somewhat of a misnomer for this animal, as it is only distantly related to either of the two "true buffaloes", the Asian buffalo (or "water bufallo") and the African buffalo. However, "bison" is a Greek word meaning ox-like animal, while "buffalo" originated with the French fur trappers who called these massive beasts boeufs, meaning ox or bullock. So both names, "bison" and "buffalo," have a similar meaning.
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also commonly known as the American buffalo


My point exactly, you could have put an article about the cent which might have said:

"also commonly known as a penny"

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My point exactly, you could have put an article about the cent which might have said:

"also commonly known as a penny"
Ask and ye shall receive... also from Wikipedia...


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The one-cent coin is often called a penny, but the U.S. Mint's official name for this coin is cent.

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I have said this before: I pretend it bothers me and play along with the "correct the incorrect speech" mob, but in reality it is good fun.

I really do like nod2003's comment that "Pennies are the coppery coins I spend, cents are the coppery coins I collect. To the uneducated they would appear to be very similar." It sums up the consensus feeling in most of the "cent vs. penny" posts after the dust has settled.

When discussing them on CCF it is best to call them cents, even though a "penny" post in one of the US specific forums is always inferred to mean cent. One reason being that it is an international forum, another that it is the proper term to be used in this educational environment. I am not saying this is a rule that must be followed, but it is a common feeling.

However, calling them pennies while conversing with non-collectors is probably not only preferred, but possibly unavoidable!
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Yes, I am only teasing. I understand that to the "educated" it is incorrect and that can grate when dealing with people who should know better. I think that is probably the point.

If one is talking to non-numismatists one probably doesn't mind calling it a penny, it's on a forum like this where one should know better.

The zoologists probably sit on their forum making derisive remarks about posts referring to bison, bison (Latin name) as a buffalo!

Personally I get a little peeved when I come across bad grammar, but I ignore it on this forum. When I am on my "correct grammar" forum I jump all over it

(Can you spot one of my pet peeves in a couple of the posts in this very thread?)
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Can you spot one of my pet peeves in a couple of the posts in this very thread?


No... but I have another story. My AP Chem teacher from last year was British, so every time we wrote "color" he would cross it out with a fat red Sharpie and write "colour"
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I think I would have to say when in Rome. I lived in the States for nine years and tried to spell the American way where possible.

I found the whole check thing a little taxing! Cheque or tick?
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The zoologists probably sit on their forum making derisive remarks about posts referring to bison, bison (Latin name) as a buffalo!
The thought of that gave me a good laugh!

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Can you spot one of my pet peeves in a couple of the posts in this very thread?
If it is in one of my posts, then I will say it is because I am recovering from a nasty stomach bug! I suppose that is more believable that the usual excuse rant... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts...
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You're safe, and push me no further!
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G'day, regarding limits on "legal tender", I wouldn't be surprised to learn that other countries have a law similar to usn Oz -

"CURRENCY ACT 1965 - SECT 16 - Legal tender
(1) A tender of payment of money is a legal tender if it is made in coins that are made and issued under this Act and are of current weight:

(a) in the case of coins of the denomination of Five cents, Ten cents, Twenty Cents or Fifty cents or coins of 2 or more of those denominations--for payment of an amount not exceeding $5 but for no greater amount;

(b) in the case of coins of the denomination of One cent or Two Cents or coins of both of those denominations--for payment of an amount not exceeding 20 cents but for no greater amount;

(c) in the case of coins of a denomination greater than Fifty cents but less than Ten dollars--for payment of an amount not exceeding 10 times the face value of a coin of the denomination concerned but for no greater amount;

(d) in the case of coins of the denomination of Ten dollars--for payment of an amount not exceeding $100 but for no greater amount; and

(e) in the case of coins of another denomination--for payment of any amount."

so, in the example cited in the OP, where the offender paid in one-cent coins, the maximum that he could pay here in that manner would be $0.20.

As the highest value circulating coin in Oz is $2, coins are, in reality, only legal tender upto $20.

Peter in Oz


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Unlike Australia and many other countries, the United States has no such limitations on legal tender items. All coins and notes are legal tender for all debts. So as far as the law is concerned, you can pay your fines with cents.
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