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None of this will move the thread because everything I have is 1141-62 under King Geza II of Hungary. I will show one of each type just to give an idea of how much more I have to do in this early Arpad time period. Huszar 80,CAC Vol. II/18.2.1.1. This is one out of 54 sigla varieties.  Huszar 123,Unger 70,Rethy I-132,CAC Vol. II/19.9.1.1. This is one of 5 that I have out of 75 sigla varieties.  Huszar 124,Unger 71,Rethy I-133,CAC Vol. II/19.10.1.1. Tis is one of 4 that I have out of 92 sigla varieties.  Huszar 139,Unger 65,Rethy I-118,CAC Vol. II/20.2.1.1. This is one of 2 that I have out of 36 sigla varieties.  Variation of Huszar 139,Unger 65,CAC Vol. II/20.2.2.1. This is one of 3 that I have out of 27 sigla varieties.  Huszar 145,Unger 68,Rethy I-125,CAC Vol. II/20.5.1.1. This is one of 2 that I have out of 47 sigla varieties.  Huszar 148,Unger 69,Rethy I-126,CAC Vol. II/20.6.1.1. This is one of 5 out of 51 sigla varieties.  Huszar 150,Unger 74,Rethy I-144,CAC Vol. II/20.8.1.1. This is one out of 75 sigla varieties.  Huszar 152,Unger 72,Rethy I-145,CAC Vol. II/20.9.1.1. This is one of 9 that I have out of 79 sigla varieties.  Huszar 159,Unger 60,Rethy I-49,CAC Vol. II/20.13.1.1. This is one of 2 out of 36 sigla varieties.  Contemporary counterfeit resembling Huszar 159,Unger60 (previous coin).  Huszar 180,Unger 67, Rethy I-160,CAC Vol. II/20.20.1.1. This is one of 5 that I have out of 44 sigla varieties. There are many types I do not have any of.  |
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Those Hungarian coins are immaculate. This is all I have for this decade - still on the cut pennies for a while. Stephen Voided Cross and Stars (BMC Type 2) Cut Halfpenny, 1145-1150
London. Silver, 20mm, 0.7g. Crowned facing bust holding sceptre, +(STIEFNE). Voided cross with a star in each angle, (_):ON:LVN (S 1280). From the Wicklewood (Norfolk) Hoard (EMC 1300.0184), abandoned around 1168 in a bank of sandy clay alongside a ditch. The bank collapsed and the ditch was filled, scattering the coins over 10 feet. It was found in 1989. The coin is a little bowed, either post-deposition or by being bent to crack any plating and check for a base core. Edited by JohnConduitt
06/01/2022 2:41 pm
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Another super start to a decade! Here is a Tari from Norman Sicily issued between 1140 and 1154 AD. It was minted at Siqilliya and I have attributed it as Biaggi 1220 and Spahr 55.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Here is an oversized (27 mm diameter, but only 0.84 g) uni-face Bracteate issued by the German Bishopric of Magdeburg. The legend is +FRITHERIC G ARCHIEPS and I have attributed it as Bonhoff 628. It dates to between 1142 and 1152 AD.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Here is a Denier from the Crusader State of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. It was minted between 1143 and 1163 AD and I have attributed it as CCS #18. The legends are a bit degraded, but roughly say BALDINVS REX and +JEIERVSALEM.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Kingdom of Poland, 1 denar, Bleslaw IV, dated to 1146-1157. Kopicki 54, Numista #138040   Obv: King seated on throne. BOLEZLAVS Rev: Reliquary of St. Adalbert. S ADALBE-IVS Edited by tdziemia
06/12/2022 9:26 pm
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Is it time to move back? Not that I have anything for the 1130s...  |
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I almost sold this coin, but had to cancel the deal because of the start of the war and unavailability to receive payment... But now I can find a small positive even in this because I can show it here:) A Quartaro from Republic of Genoa that according to Numista (N# 83165) could be minted between 1139 and 1339   |
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Awesome quartaro! Here's mine, which looks to be probably in a better technical grade, though the photos (taken for ID, with a smartphone camera, in 2017) are horrible and don't show it very well...   Obverse: gryphon rampant right, +QVARTARO Reverse: cross potent, +CVNRADVS Numista 83165[EDIT: fixed some minor typos] Edited by january1may
06/16/2022 5:57 pm
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Yes good call. I haven't been shepherding this thread lately so good to have some help keeping us moving!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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This bronze follaro of Sicily from the reign of Roger II is my earliest dated coin. It bears a date AH 533 (1138-1139). Spahr 62, Numista #324032.   Obv: Christ pantokraor. IC XC (Jesus Christ) Rev: Inscription in 4 lines with date at bottom (By the order of Roger the Great, with God's help, struck in Messina 533) |
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This bronze follaro of Sicily from the reign of Roger II is my earliest dated coin. It bears a date AH 533 (1138-1139). Spahr 62, Numista #324032.  This type is on my long-term wishlist, though I didn't know they went as sharp as yours - especially in the date area! AFAIK this is the oldest coin ever dated in what we would think of as Hindu-Arabic numerals (though of course the Western Kshatrapa dates were written in a non-positional predecessor of the Hindu-Arabic system). I've seen a reference to " Dated Coins of Antiquity p. 12" that suggested it was perhaps the oldest in Europe (implying that there might have been older ones outside Europe?), but I've never managed to see what the relevant page actually says. |
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All of these are 1131-41 under King Bela II. I will show just one of each type. Some are anonymous but attributed to King Bela II. Huszar 49,Unger 44,Rethy I-57,CAC Vol. I/13.1. This is one of 4 sigla varieties I have out of 23.  Huszar 50,Unger 43,Rethy I-69,CAC Vol. I/13.4. This is one of 6 sigla varieties I have out of 432.  Huszar 54,Unger 50,Rethy I-56,CAC Vol. I/13.8. It is the only sigla variety I have out of 55.  Anonymous Huszar 82,Unger 51,Rethy I-69,CAC Vol. II/18.3.1.1. This is one of 3 sigla varieties out of 81.  Anonymous Huszar 89,Unger 48,Rethy I-74,CAC Vol. II/18.5.1.1. This is one of 2 sigla varieties I have out of 72.  Anonymous Variation of Huszar 96,Unger 46,Rethy I-81,CAC Vol. II/18.10.1.2. This is the only sigla variety I have out of 9.  Anonymous variation of Huszar 97,Unger 49,Rethy I-84,CAC Vol. II/18.11.1.1. This is one of 4 sigla varieties I have out of 71.  Anonymous Huszar 99,Rethy I-87,CAC Vol. II/18.12. This is the only sigla variety I have out of 78.  Anonymous Huszar 100,Unger 52,Rethy I-88,CAC Vol. II/18.12.1.3. This is one of 4 sigla varieties I have out of 101.  Anonymous Huszar 102,Unger 53,CAC Vol. II/18.13.1.1. This is one of 45 sigla varieties I have out of 79.  Anonymous variation of Huszar 102 Unger 53,CAC Vol. II/18.13.1.2. This is the only sigla variety out of 17.  Anonymous Huszar 103,CAC Vol. II/18.13.1.2. This is one of 18 sigla varieties I have out of 42.  |
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AFAIK this is the oldest coin ever dated in what we would think of as Hindu-Arabic numerals (though of course the Western Kshatrapa dates were written in a non-positional predecessor of the Hindu-Arabic system).
I've seen a reference to "Dated Coins of Antiquity p. 12" that suggested it was perhaps the oldest in Europe Thanks for those insights @j1m! Two funny things about this acquisition two years ago. For some reason, I think I got it at just one bid increment above the minimum, so it was quite reasonable for a good example of the type. Second, I was mainly interested in the religious iconography and cultural duality (a Byzantine-looking Jesus on one side, and an Arabic script on the other), and didn't realize until I had in hand about the date. Edited by tdziemia
06/19/2022 11:52 am
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