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Ok last call for this decade. Starting to,or tow morning, let's post coins from the 650s.
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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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My only other coin struck in the 650s is this Byzantine Follis. It can be dated to the range of 650 to 651 AD and so will serve to drop us back a decade when we are ready. I have attributed it as Sear 1107 and Spahr 117.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Any other coins from the 650s? If not, we can drop back to the decade of the 640s starting tomorrow morning.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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This is my only coin for the 640s and my last Saxon coin. It's copying a Roman solidus known as the 'Two Emperors'. Thrymsas were the first coins made by the Saxons - the very earliest are made of higher purity gold and tend to go for 5 figures. Pale Gold Phase 'Two Emperors' Thrymsa, 645-675
Kent. Gold, 13mm, 1.19g. Diademed and draped bust right; pseudo legend around. Two small busts facing; above, Victory with wings enfolding the figures; pellet to each side of Victory's head (SCBC 767). |
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That is an amazing coin! Help me understand the term "two small busts facing" when, at least to my uneducated eyes, there seem to be three of them.  I've got another Byzantine Follis to post today. This one can be dated to 641-668 AD and I have attributed it as Sear 1000, but note that it might not be a perfect match. I'm all ears for gentle corrections or additional information.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Help me understand the term "two small busts facing" when, at least to my uneducated eyes, there seem to be three of them. Yes to understand the reverse it helps to be familiar with the Roman original. It's meant to be two emperors sat side by side, while above them the character 'Victory' has his wings around them. |
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Ah ok perfect. Those looked like gherkins rather than angel wings, but that all makes sense to me now. Thx!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Here is my last coin for this decade--another Byzantine Follis, but fortunately one that can be dated a little more precisely. This was minted in 643 or 644 AD in Constantinople. I have attributed it as Sear 1004 and Berk 652.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Last chance to post a coin from the 640s. Starting tomorrow morning we will drop back to the decade of the 630s.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Yes to understand the reverse it helps to be familiar with the Roman original. It's meant to be two emperors sat side by side, while above them the character 'Victory' has his wings around them. Indeed that is an amazing coin! Some of us have discussed how the imagery of Victory on Roman coins also morphed to the Byzantine version, and then to the Lombard version where Victory has further morphed into St. Michael the archangel (circa 690). Edited by tdziemia
05/29/2023 08:18 am
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Great point @tdz. Here is the only coin I have for this decade--another Byzantine Follis. You can see portraits of Heraclius and Heraclius Constantine on the obverse with the Heraclian monogram on the reverse. This coin was minted in Sicily in the date range of 632 to 641 AD. I have attributed it as Sear 884.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Thank you. Quote:
Some of us have discussed how the imagery of Victory on Roman coins also morphed to the Byzantine version, and then to the Lombard version where Victory has further morphed into St. Michael the archangel (circa 690). That's an interesting point. The English were rather predictable and went from Roman standard to cross, and stuck with that for 1000 years. Quote:
Here is the only coin I have for this decade--another Byzantine Follis. You can see portraits of Heraclius and Heraclius Constantine on the obverse with the Heraclian monogram on the reverse. This coin was minted in Sicily in the date range of 632 to 641 AD. I have attributed it as Sear 884. That's a good coin for the type. We've been relying on your collection for a couple of hundred years and I think that's going to continue. I have one more for the 600s but I will bet you have the same coin. |
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Thx @john. These seem to be mostly overstruck so suffer from weakness. I decided to pick one up with a more distinct reverse. I'll be glad to have your contribution in the next few days, but am also hoping that we can get someone else with 7th Century coins posting here.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Hey thanks for keeping this topic moving along. I have nothing to add until the 510's, but I'm really enjoying the show.
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