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A Collection Of Coins From Portugal

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A beautiful 500 reis Hfjacinto. You are really putting together a great set.
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Thanks all, I have 2 more in the postal system. Both fairly obscure. Just need to get them take pictures and try to find a little history about them. Many times I have to contact my mom or a dealer friend who knows a lot about the coins.

I always worry that I write too much, I'm happy the stories are interesting.
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I have 2 more in the postal system. Both fairly obscure. Just need to get them take pictures and try to find a little history about them.



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Too much? Never! Keep them coming!
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Today's coin while not technically from "Portugal" as the Islands of the Azores are officially autonomous regions. The autonomous regions were established due to their distinct geography, economy, social and cultural situation. Although they are separate from a political-administrative autonomy the Portuguese constitution specifies that there is both a regional and national connection, obliging their administrations to maintain democratic principles and promote regional interests, while still reinforcing national unity.

The Azores have a rich history in coinage, issuing their own coins from 1750 and currency from 1843 until 1911.Although the coinage was minted in Lisbon. With the changeover to Escudo, the 3 regions of Portugal (Azore, Madeira and mainland) are all on the same coins/currency.

The Azores are an archipelago composed of nine volcanic islands in the North Atlantic Ocean, about 1,400 km (870 mi) west of Lisbon and about 1,930 km (1,200 mi) southeast of Newfoundland, Canada. The island chain stretches for over 600 miles.

Its main industries are agriculture, dairy farming, livestock, fishing, and tourism. The largest city of the Azores is Ponta Delgada. The culture, dialect, cuisine, and traditions of the Azorean islands vary considerably, because these remote islands were settled sporadically over a span of two centuries.

There are nine major Azorean islands and an islet cluster. All of the islands have volcanic origins, although some, such as Santa Maria, have had no recorded volcanic activity. Mount Pico, on the island of Pico, is the highest point in Portugal, at 2,351 m (7,713 ft). If measured from their base at the bottom of the ocean to their peaks, which thrust high above the surface of the Atlantic, the Azores are among the tallest mountains on the planet. In many ways the Azores are comparable to the Islands of Hawai'i.

The climate of the Azores is very mild for such a northerly location, being influenced by the Gulf Stream. Because of the marine influence, temperatures remain mild year-round. Daytime temperatures normally fluctuate between 16 and 25 °C (61 and 77 °F) depending on season.Temperatures above 30 °C (86 °F) or below 3 °C (37 °F) are unknown in the major population centres. It is also generally wet and cloudy.

The coin:

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A-Collection-Of-Coins-From-Portugal

The coin was much darker when I received it but there was a sticky substance on the observe, so it went into Acetone for a day and then it was conserved with Verdi-Care. What ever was on the coin only affected the obverse (where the date is).

This was a 1 year issue.


Issuer: Azores (Portugal)
King Charles I the Diplomat (1889-1908)
Type: Standard circulation coin
Year : 1901
Value: 5 Reis
Currency: Real (decimalized, 1843-1911)
Composition: Copper
Weight: 4.9 g
Diameter: 25.4 mm
Thickness: 1 mm
Shape: Round
Orientation: Coin alignment
Demonetized: 1915
References: KM16
Mintage: 800,000
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Nice acquisition. Thanks for the info on the Azores too.
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Today's coin is 40 reis from the 1834. The coin was called a Pataco and it is very heavy and wide. The slab is oversized and won't fit in a standard case. This is one I wanted for a while and while they are available most are worn down to almost no details. These actively were used in commerce, coupled with how large they were resulted in almost all having a very weak strike. And the alloy mixture was pretty poor resulting in corrosion. This was just not a coin that is readily available in anything higher than XF. On PCGS only 3 have ever been graded with an AU 58 being the highest grade. The price of these also jumps high with an XF being $300 and AU in 4 figures.

I have a search on ebay and when this one came up, I started watching it. I didn't see much action, but I wasn't expecting it to sell cheap, so I put in a fairly low bid just seeing what it would sell for. Luckily for me it just didn't have good traction, I got it for less 50% of my max bid. I feel I got a bargain.

The coin was issued during the reign of Queen regnant Dona Maria II of Portugal. Here is a picture of the Queen when she was 10 years old in 1829.

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In the cliff notes version of her life. She was born on on April 4 1819
She got married at 15, was the queen from May 26, 1834 - November 15 1853. Had 11 children and died at 34 years old on November 15, 1853, only 6 children made it to adulthood.

The coin.

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There are so few slabbed that PCGS is using my coin for the page on the coin.

https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/port...1552&g=35&h=

Issuer: Portugal
Queen: Maria II (1834-1853)
Type: Standard circulation coin
Years: 1833-1847
Value: 40 Reis = Pataco
Currency: Real (mechanical coinage, 1678-1835)
Composition: Bronze
Weight: 38.2 g
Diameter: 35 mm
Thickness: 3 mm
Shape: Round
Demonetized: Yes
References: KM402
Mintage (1834): Unknown
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My grandmother actually had a few 40 reis (Pataco), but all in poor/fair condition. This is one of hers that I kept.

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hfjacinto, I am greatly enjoying your Portugal coins and currency thread. Thank you for educating me on Portugese history and numismatics.
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Nice 40 reis and interesting story, hfjacinto! And while the worn example from your grandmother may not be worth a lot from a monetary standpoint, I'm sure there is huge sentimental value associated with it!

Also, I really like the design on the coin from the Azores.
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Thanks all! The coins I am looking for now are somewhat rare, so I sometimes have to take what I can find. I actually had 3 auctions going last week and the 40 reis was the only 1 I won. The others sold for so much more than FMV, with the gold coin selling for 4X bullion value and 2X FMV and it was details.

But I keep on searching as Portugal issued over 1100 coins before the euro, there are many I don't yet have.
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But I keep on searching as Portugal issued over 1100 coins before the euro, there are many I don't yet have.

I hope you find the missing coins soon.
Loving the new additions. :)
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Another addition to my collection came in yesterday. Posting picture hopefully tomorrow.
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Today's coin is an 1899 5 Reis. This one features King Carlos I.

As I've been doing this set of Portuguese Coins, I wondered if the monarchy is still around. What happened to the royal blood lines?

In 1932 when King Manuel II died childless the Queen Maria II branch of the Braganza died, but that still left the Miguelist branch which can trace it lineage back to King Miguel I (king from 1828 to 1834).

Based on that lineage, Duarte Pio who is know as the Duke (Duque in Portuguese) of Braganza can claim rightful heir to the Kingdom of Portugal.

In 1995, the Duke married Isabel Inês de Castro Curvelo de Heredia, a Portuguese businesswoman and descendant of Portuguese nobility. Their marriage was the first marriage of a Portuguese royal to happen in Portuguese territory since the marriage of King Carlos I and Princess Amelie of Orleans, in 1886. The Duke and Duchess have three children, thus continuing the line of the Braganzas, as neither of the Duke's brothers has married or had children.

One aspect of doing the research into the current status of the Monarchy, I discovered that while the castles and homes of the king were considered kingdom assets and therefore could not be sold, the palaces and estates of the various dukes were considered personal property and the dukes had title to the lands and could sell them. While many have been sold (or converted to hotels), there are still a few around. I guess I have another todo when I next visit Portugal. But I digress, the coin
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The slab
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Issuer: Portugal
King Carlos I (1889-1908)
Type: Standard circulation coin
Years: 1890-1906
Value: 5 Reis
Currency Real (decimalized, 1835-1910)
Composition: Bronze
Weight:3 g
Diameter: 21 mm
Thickness: 1.22 mm
Shape: Round
Orientation: Coin alignment
Demonetized: Yes
References: KM530
Mintage (1899): 1,220,000
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