1913 Liberty Head Nickel

I do not question about altered and fakes out there, but I am going along as observed by the experts who has informally examined my coin. I have also brought my nickel to Stack of NY and the expert who examined it also suggest to send it to TPG's as he also cannot see any sign of fake as some of you may have observed. As all of you may expect, I was warned to be readily to accept that my coin will be declared as fake, but the expert from Stack of NY also curious to know and would like to find out in which way it will be fake and how. The expert from Stack has seen 3 of the existing real one. This coin I have were examined by suppose to be experts and none of them can tell where and how it was manipulated. This coin was also examined by another NGC expert at the Baltimore Convention Show and could not directly declare the my coin is faked, but rather say that he does not have his note at that time for comparison.

At this time, I believe that the only way to realy find out and convince myself that my V nickel is fake or not is to have this coin compare to the real one side by side, but the question is how...

This coin is absolutely not from the same dies as the original 5 were struck from. The evidence you've already provided is clear and inarguable - the digits just don't match. The only way this coin could possibly be "real" (and I use that term in quotes because even the 5 current ones were not "authorized" and as such aren't "official") is if someone at the Mint used a different date punch digit set on a different Liberty nickel die.

There's no guarantee that this could ever be proven, either way.

>> The comparison was done by steve199 on page 3 check it out.

The forensic metallurgical engineer who put the coin under SEM observed that as corrosion of being around for 96 years. There's another way as suggested by the metallurgical engineer to find out if there are fusing material between the 3 and the coin itself, but recommended that it is not necessary as there is no observation of manipulation. The method he mentioned to prove of fusing is to place the object under metal x'ray. Also, I want to mention that the alloy analysis shows no foreign material in any area of the coin but corrosion viewed in 2,600 magnification.

I think it is cheaper to have it slab than do all those testing. At the end of the day the one who has a say on this matter is the slab company. Either you have it back in a slab or a body bag.

And, I'll explain again (at the unintended risk of offending), he should have. The shape of the 9 and the stroke of the 3 are so clearly different from those on the original nickels that even the small photographs you present make the point inarguable. Even if it's real, this coin did not come from the same obverse die as the other 5.

Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Magnification does not change the shape of things only the size.

And that would not be possible because after 1909 all of the dies made at th US mint had the date on the master hub and they were not punched into the individual dies so the shape of the 3 on ALL of the 1913 V nickel dies would be exactly the same.

JS, I don't care if the 3 has been added or if so how it was done. I don't care if it was done by chasing and manipulating the metal of the original coin. It doesn't matter how that 3 got there. The only important thing is that the SHAPE of the 3 on your coin is wrong. It does not match the shape of the 3 on the genuine 1913 V nickel as shown by the side by side images of the real 3 and the 3 from your coin as posted by steve199. The two are clearly different and as such your coin can NOT be a genuine 1913 V nickel.

By the way Stacks would probably be very gun shy about passing judgment on a 1913 V nickel. They declared the 1913 bought to them from the 1962 Walton accident an altered date. And then caught a lot of ribbing (and derision when the Walton family brought their coin to the ANA a few years ago where it was declared to be the "missing" fifth specimen. (I have some doubt though that the coin Stacks saw in 1962 was the same coin that was brought to the ANA. The person from Stacks is gone and the Walton family members who had control of the coins back in 62 are dead. So there is no one who saw the coin back then who can confirm it is the same one.)

Thank you; I was unaware they'd switched completely at that early date. So they'd have had to go to the trouble of doing an entirely different master hub, which is kinda ludicrous. You can get an awful large number of coins derivating from one master. This lends credence to the idea that the master hub and maybe individual dies were an "authorized" creation, against the possibility that 1913 Liberties would actually be minted, while the actual use of them was unofficial.