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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition!

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 Posted 08/27/2024  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I see the 7 and I see the 8, so as long as that snakey thing between them is a 5 ...
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Yes it doesn't look like Sagdeeva 277, but there are enough similar dated 758 http://search.zeno.ru/index.php?v=0...758&ymax=758

Birdibek also dates it to 75x or 760-3 (and a random 773 posthumous issue), so if it ends 8, it must be 758.
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It appears we have a concurrence.

Tomorrow we can move onto the next wait.

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1356 (AH 757) - none found
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Yes, of the search that @JohnConduitt conducted on Zeno, I think #283117 firms up Spence's Birdi Beg.
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Here is my take on the date mixed with the border.
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Compare with the 5 from https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?p...y=d&way=desc
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Here is my take on the date mixed with the border.
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Time to move on, if we can...


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I have been trawling the normal haunts for a 1356 / AH 757 coin, but not a lot of success.
There are a small amount of 1356 Edward III groats (mm crown), but the prices being asked are way above my budget range.
There are a lot of "rare" 1356 China Yuan Dynasty "DA ZHONG TONG BAO" advertised on ebay by a Singapore seller. But from what I can gather online (Numista and Wikipedia) the minting of the Dazhong TongBao didn't commence until 1361. I queried the seller on the attribution of the date, but the seller has been strangely silent to date.
From a list of Chinese cash coins (courtesy of Calgary coins), there is a bronze 3 cash. Obverse: "CHIH-CHENG T'UNG-PAO" in orthodox Chinese script.
Reverse: "SHEN" in Mongol seal script. SHEN is short for PING SHEN indicating this coin was struck in AD 1356. These seem to be as rare as hen's teeth and again a bit above my limit. (One on ebay for AUD1650)
Keep looking!
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I hope we're getting through it at some point. I think Meshok has a ton of those but of course that's not very useful for non-Russians...

I believe 1355/756 and 1354/755 are also gaps (unless @andyg has a surprise entry), so maybe worth looking into those too, just in case.
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Yes, I'll be keeping an eye out for those gaps too. There is a Juchid pul, rosette type which I convinced myself was a 757, but now fairly certain it is a 752
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Good to see some chatter. I was wondering what might be going on behind the scenes.
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There is a Juchid pul, rosette type which I convinced myself was a 757, but now fairly certain it is a 752

It actually turned out to be a 753 minted in Qrim, possibly a local imitation.
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I have been trawling the normal haunts for a 1356 / AH 757 coin, but not a lot of success.
Rechecked MA Shops again; they still don't have anything cheap, but TIL that there's apparently a type called "blanc au châtel fleurdelise" of Jean II of France that had gone through several emissions over the year 1356.

The examples I have found are all in the 100-300€ range, except for one that went unsold for 70€ several months ago. If only we knew to look out for it...
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... except for one that went unsold for 70€ several months ago. If only we knew to look out for it...
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