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Thanks all, just doing the small stuff.  Quote:
I got lucky with a group of 3 coins, one of which was this one. The other two (743 and 746) are Mamluks as well, but not critical like the 749AH. Excellent!  Quote:
I think you're correct @ j1m, the 745AH (1344) may be a sticking point.   |
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Undated but attributed to 1347 grosso "guelfo" of Florence: Excellent! |
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Once again, I doubt another will show, so I am changing the title now.  We Need - 1346 C. E. (A. H. 747) |
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1346 France Philippe VI (1328 - 1350) Double Parisis 22.0 X 20.4mm 0.99g Billon Paris mint Duplessy 269 F 3A Type Issue 27 April 1346  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Duplessy 269 F 3A Type Hmm. There's a Duplessy 269 (3rd type 1st emission, 1346-47, short enough to count as 1346) and a Duplessy 269A (3rd type 2nd emission, after 1347). I tried to figure out what the difference is but couldn't find any good description (it seems to be a punctuation variant, but the examples I can see are confusing) and of course I don't have the catalog. Anyone else can help? Quote:
1346 - JohnConduitt, Spence ...this must have been a recent-ish addition to your collection, because you're not listed. But at least it means there might be other people who could contribute. |
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Hmm. There's a Duplessy 269 (3rd type 1st emission, 1346-47, short enough to count as 1346) and a Duplessy 269A (3rd type 2nd emission, after 1347). I tried to figure out what the difference is but couldn't find any good description (it seems to be a punctuation variant, but the examples I can see are confusing) and of course I don't have the catalog.
Anyone else can help? I think that @tdzemia may be able to clarify this. It was sold to me as 27 April, 1346 emission. And I don't have Duplessy either. Quote:
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1346 - JohnConduitt, Spence
...this must have been a recent-ish addition to your collection, because you're not listed. But at least it means there might be other people who could contribute. Yes, I picked it up at the same time as the 1350 Double Parisis. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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I think erafjel and spence are the "go to" guys for France. I don't have Duplessy or any French royal references. Added: As suggested by j1m, the first auction listing below mentions punctuation by trefoils being indicative of the 1st emission (1346), and the second one has a pretty clear example of the punctuation at 6:30 reverse https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=11855320 https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=11720975. I think ttkoo's coin has it visible at 8:00 in the first photo. Edited by tdziemia
05/31/2025 3:39 pm
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 - pretty clear trefoil! I think we're probably fine to progress now, though I'd personally wait until Spence posts whatever his coin is. |
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Sure glad to post my coin from this timeframe (also a French Double Parisis). I have attributed it as Duplessy 269 and Roberts 2603 (i.e. first minting), but have the date as 1346-7. I'll check to see why I came to that conclusion instead of just 1346 tomorrow when I will have time to check out those two references.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Ok just looked through both references to refresh my memory. Roberts isn't much help as it bundles all of Philip VI's Double Parises into a single category with the date range being 1328 through 1350. On the other hand, Duplessy lists 269 (first minting) as starting on April 27, 1346. The second minting (coin #269a) was begun on February 24, 1347. We have had this discussion many times before as to whether some, most, or all coins were generally minted at the start date.
Also, just to confirm how to tell Duplessy 269 from 269a, the spacing between words is marked with a trilobe for the former and a vertical double helicoil for the latter.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Great looking examples! I am way past my depth, so I have to defer to the expert analysis presented and assume we have legitimate contributions. |
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I have attributed it as Duplessy 269 and Roberts 2603 (i.e. first minting), but have the date as 1346-7. I'll check to see why I came to that conclusion instead of just 1346 tomorrow when I will have time to check out those two references. The answer as far as I'm concerned is that this type was issued from April 1346 until February 1347, which makes it qualify as 1346 for this thread because it's less than a year and mostly in 1346. (As it happens, assuming that the dates are correctly converted, the entire mintage would have occurred in the year 1346 by the contemporary reckoning, since at the time the year number changed in late March.) |
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Ok yep giddy-up then, we are on to 1345 then. I don't have one of those yet, but should be able to post again soon assuming someone else does.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Silver, 16mm, 1.97g. Sultan / The Just / Jani Beg. Struck in / Khwarizm / Year 746 (Sagdeeva 265).  |
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Nice Jani Beg @John Conduitt, a very clear strike!  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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