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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition!

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1345 CE. AH746 Mamluk AE Fals
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Also, just to confirm how to tell Duplessy 269 from 269a, the spacing between words is marked with a trilobe for the former and a vertical double helicoil for the latter.

Possibly the reason you've got the coin as 1346-1347 is that the location of the punctuation mark (around 8:00 obv, and around 6-6:30 rev) is not legible enough to distinguish between 269 and 269a?

Nice to see the progress! I think we have at least the next couple of years covered.
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I think we have at least the next couple of years covered.
I will post J1M's list again.

1344 - tdziemia, ttkoo
1343 - tdziemia, Spence
1342 - ttkoo
1341 (AH 742; AH 741?) - none found
1340 (AH 740) - Spence?
1339 - tdziemia
1338 - EddieDiz, Spence, tdziemia, ttkoo
1337 - tdziemia
1336 (AH 736) - none found
1335 (AH 735) - none found
1334 - january1may, tdziemia
1333 - Spence
1332 (AH 732) - none found
1331 (AH 731) - none found
1330 (AH 730) - EddieDiz?
1329 - Spence, tdziemia
1328 (AH 728) - none found
1327 - Spence; ttkoo
1326 - ttkoo
1325 - bd251, tdziemia, ttkoo
1324 - ttkoo
1323 - ttkoo; january1may?
1322 - ttkoo
1321 - ttkoo
1320 - Spence, ttkoo; JohnConduitt (frozen date)
1319 - Spence, ttkoo
1318 - ttkoo
1317 - ttkoo; zorosenpai?
1316 - ttkoo
1315 - ttkoo
1314 - ttkoo
1313 - ttkoo
1312 - ttkoo
1311 - Spence, ttkoo
1310 - ttkoo
1309 (AH 709) - none found
1308 (AH 708; AH 707?) - ttkoo?
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Nice entry!

AFAICT this is a one-year type, so even if the date is illegible (which it appears to be) it must be from 746/1345 anyway.

[EDIT: and indeed an even clearer coin from @JohnConduitt! I didn't see it immediately because it was near the bottom of last page.
Eagerly waiting for some contributions from you in the Walking Back with Dated Coins thread; from what I recall you had a lot for the 14th century in particular.]


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I think we have at least the next couple of years covered.
...yeah, looks like it. AFAICT our next expected gaps are 1341, 1340 (?), 1336, 1331, 1330 (?), 1328, and then ttkoo has a big stretch until 1309.

If/when we get past 1328 - or maybe when the Walking Back with Dated Coins thread reaches 1200, if that happens earlier - I'll try to work on a 13th century listing. I expect it to mostly consist of gaps, though.
My own next entry is 1334 and then maybe 1323, but I think after that I don't have anything definite until the 1170s.
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@Dearborn, glad you're enjoying it, I am too!
Hoping we can get past the roadblocks that are coming, and get to see your 1280 in a HFBGWG eventually.

I think @tdzemia has a 1344 of some description......no pressure.

edit: jbuck , you beat me to the punch. I don't have a 1344... or at least, I don't think so. I see it on @j1m's list, but I don't see it in my collection ...... at this stage!
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Hoping we can get past the roadblocks that are coming, and get to see your 1280 in a HFBGWG eventually.


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I think @tdzemia has a 1344 of some description......no pressure.


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I don't have a 1344... or at least, I don't think so. I see it on @j1m's list, but I don't see it in my collection ...... at this stage!


I scratched it off the most recent posting.
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This undated Brabant gros is from an emission of December 1344:
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This undated Brabant gros is from an emission of December 1344:
The trek back continues. Outstanding!
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I am going to go ahead an change the title for tomorrow since my day is nearly complete.

It is unlikely we will get another posted today, but I continuously hope the be proven wrong.

Next up:

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1343 - tdziemia, Spence
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I don't have a 1344... or at least, I don't think so. I see it on @j1m's list, but I don't see it in my collection ...... at this stage!
Hmm. I might need to redo that list. I can't easily figure out how it got there. I think I got some other dates of yours off recently as well, now that I think about it.

I do have a spreadsheet for your coins (a few months out of date, but still) and can try to redo the earlier 14th century listing; I don't know what went wrong here.

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This undated Brabant gros is from an emission of December 1344:
OK. Now here's the other awkward news.

There were two emissions of the gros au quadrilobe in 1344: the July 1344 emission (legend ending ANTWERPIEN) and the December 1344 emision (legend ending BRABANCIE).
I would be willing to count the July 1344 emission as an unambiguous 1344 coin. However, as you correctly note, this is the December emission.

I was unable to find any data (yet) on the end of that emission. It seems plausible that in fact no coins of this type were minted in 1344; it might yet turn out to be a qualifying 1345 coin.



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Ok yep giddy-up then, we are on to 1345 then. I don't have one of those yet, but should be able to post again soon assuming someone else does.
...does that imply you have something for 1344? If so, we might have a chance yet.
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I see it on @j1m's list, but I don't see it in my collection ...... at this stage!
I rechecked again and looks like that one wasn't my error! If it was a mistake it wasn't one of mine; my source data say 1344/745 very clearly.

(I sent you a PM with more details.)
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