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When Does A Researching Collector Become An "Expert"?

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 Posted 11/24/2022  04:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Level 2 Expert - Questions the validity and/or completeness of the known general and/or specialized numismatic information previously published or shared within the collector community through documented experience with the series.
Of course these days (in some series) it's perfectly possible to question the validity and/or completeness, even with fairly good arguments, without having ever touched a specimen!

(For a fairly mild example, I present my thread on Leontius.)
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 Posted 11/25/2022  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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In my mind the same is true in sciences. It's a lot harder to be the expert on something like chemistry or physics in general as it is to become an expert on say cleavage techniques of superconducting materials under ultra-high vacuum where the pool of knowledge is considerably smaller. Having been in academia as well as industry in sciences and engineering, I'd be careful to put too much emphasis on a requirement of publication to define expertise.


This is my view as well.
I needed to defend a thesis I did in a specialized area of materials science a very long time ago, that resulted in a couple of papers.
I then worked in an industrial lab and came up with a few things that were patentable (another sort of peer review).
But I never felt as "expert" in a field as when I began teaching undergraduate General Chemistry, and needed to know that broad field enough to answer all kinds of questions on the fly, design examinations that would probe students' grasp of the material at various levels, and so on. Granted, some of the questions were pretty basic, but many weren't, which feeds the learning process.

My outlook toward Numismatics is somewhere between the two. I've been spending time the last four years trying to learn two areas. Not up to the 10,000 hour rule on either yet, but making progress.

One thing I have wondered about this topic is: what kinds of questions do we expect a "numismatic expert" to be able to answer?
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 Posted 11/28/2022  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with several folks here in that one does not have to be published to be an expert. not everyone has the time or aptitude to publish a paper or book. I would say it definitely adds to their credibility.

in my mind there are several different levels of expert as defined by some comments here. DrDarryl is on the right track with his comments

and then add to that

Unique Expertise: A person who has unique expertise on a particular subject and has a large amount of specialized knowledge in a specific subject (i.e. Early halves or Buffalo nickels)

General Expertise: A person who is considered to possess a moderate level of knowledge in the hobby in general acquired by years of accumulated hands on experience and research and is willing to share that knowledge with others

All-rounded Expertise: A person who is considered to possess a high level of skill in several areas of the hobby, has a broad knowledge base and is willing to share that knowledge with others as well as correct incorrect information backed by their research


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 Posted 11/28/2022  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i dont think you can be an expert on a series without having seen the coins. pictures will take you a long way but there is nothing like getting coins in hand.

i think expertise is relative. at my local coin club meeting I'm easily the large cent expert. when I go to an EAC convention half the people in the room have forgotten more than I know.

the more narrow the subject the easier it is to become a national or global expert. there just isn't a lot of competition in some of the more esoteric parts of the hobby.
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 Posted 11/29/2022  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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i think expertise is relative.


Yep. Easy for someone to be the expert on Polish coins on an American forum.
Less so on a European forum.
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 Posted 11/30/2022  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DiscoLover82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm "that coin guy" who can rattle off more information about the specific minutiae of different years of coins than most people know or care about...but I still don't consider myself an expert!
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 Posted 11/30/2022  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Easy for someone to be the expert on Polish coins on an American forum... Less so on a European forum.
Well said.
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 Posted 12/31/2022  02:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TinyRetreat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"He who ceases to learn is a half-dead man" = Leo Buscaglia

Any time I hear the word "expert", I wonder ...

Be comfortable in your own expertise, at the level you crave and keep learning !.
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Hi. To me it's all relative. Went to a numismatic conference a few months ago and there were several professional experts there including someone from The Royal Mint. Chatting with someone I became aware of the possibility that I might've been the only person in the place who knew much about what I collect (Maria Theresa Taler restrikes). That doesn't make me an expert, but it certainly makes me an enthusiast. There's always going to be someone who knows more, and the opportunity to engage with them is to be welcomed, and to me forums like this one are a godsend.
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Personally, the term "expert" rarely MEANS anything ... Who defined one as such ? To what end would the designation be relevant ? Why is the designation used ? etc. etc.

In my experience, it is the discussion / interaction / sharing / comparing / searching WITH an individual that allows me to consider the expertise of that person ...

"He who ceases to learn, is a half dead man" - Leo Buscaglia
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