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When Does A Researching Collector Become An "Expert"?

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 Posted 11/08/2022  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list

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There are of course many fields of human endeavour where actual hands-on experience with your field of expertise is either impossible or highly impractical. Exobiology, for example; there are no known alien life forms yet discovered, yet there are plenty of "experts" in the theory of what alien life forms might be like. Likewise, "experts in surviving a nuclear holocaust" exist, despite the distinct lack of thermonuclear warfare on Earth for them to participate in.


I love it

Personally there are some areas in numismatics where I strive for "expert" status without the financial investment of acquiring the coins.
But this never lasts long. I would always rather have the coins.
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 Posted 11/08/2022  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
An expert in a particular field of study has selected some aspect of that field to really focus on until others turn to them for the harder to know answers within that subject matter. There is no hard rule to say someone is an expert, rather, the best sign of expertise is when other respected, recognized and established people who also participate in your field refer to you as an expert. Even within a specialty, there can be dozens of sub-specialties that you can become an expert in.

Research alone does not mean that someone is going deep, perhaps they are great at finding general answers and pointing to where answers might be found when they dont know, are helpful, or has alot of experience with the topic at hand. Learning is also ongoing and one cant generally know everything so experts also spend a portion of their time continuing to improve their knowledge base. One big mistake is to think that because you are an expert in a field or single area, you are an expert in everything.

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 Posted 11/09/2022  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list
How about ...
"when you can identify mistakes being made by other experts."
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 Posted 11/19/2022  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDarryl to your friends list
My opinion. Understanding the level of expertise will help.

Level 1 Expert - Regurgitates known general and/or specialized numismatic information previously published or shared within the collector community. (e.g., These are the facts about this series!)

Level 2 Expert - Questions the validity and/or completeness of the known general and/or specialized numismatic information previously published or shared within the collector community through documented experience with the series. (e.g., My documented experience with this series questions the validity and/or completeness of the known published or shared numismatic information within the collector community!)

Level 3 Expert - Publishes or shares previously unknown or corrects the existing numismatic information in the numismatic knowledge base for the series. (e.g., My research findings and/or documented experience with this series reveals that that Book A lacks information of these design variations as shown in the images below).
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 Posted 11/24/2022  03:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chirrrs to your friends list
I think the definition and threshold for expertise is relative and varies depending on specifically what types and sets of coins you are talking about. I also think this is true in sciences, and for knowledge in general. So in my opinion, an expert has considerably more knowledge than the average person familiar with the subject.

For example, lots of collectors are familiar with Mercury dimes. They're one of the most popular and well known types around. So the average expanse of knowledge on the subject is such that most coin collectors would know following in some sort of order of common familiarity:

- These dimes were minted during World War II
- They were minted 1916-45
- Being able to grade them on a scale of 4-60
- 1916D is the key date
- 1921 P/D are semi-keys
- Adolph Weinman designed them
- 1942/41 P/D are key date varieties

I would venture a guess that most here probably know all of that. That's one level of knowledge on Mercury dimes. Here's perhaps the next:

- Knowing off the top of your head the dimensions and weight
- Rough (or perhaps fairly exact) mintages for key dates
- Knowing common errors and varieties
- Being aware of FSB designations
- Being able to differentiate between 63-68 grades

Even that's not really enough knowledge to be considered an "expert" on Mercury dimes, and likely doesn't even bump you into say the top 25% when it comes to knowledge of the type just on this forum. I'm certainly not an "expert" on Mercury dimes, so I couldn't even say how you would then define the next strata of knowledge, but there are certainly members here who could do so easily. Now contrast that to something like Medieval English or French coins where just being able to read legends, identify rulers, mints, and using varieties to pin down a more specific date range probably has a much greater chance of putting you in the top 10% of knowledge on the subject on the forum, and yet that is comparatively basic knowledge when it comes to Mercury dimes.

The more specialized the subject, the smaller the knowledge pool, so the threshold for being even a "resident expert" drops considerably. I'm not sure that I'm effectively articulating my thoughts and opinion on this, but I suspect that one should get the gist of what I'm trying to convey. In some ways, this is similar to what DrDarryl just said.

In my mind the same is true in sciences. It's a lot harder to be the expert on something like chemistry or physics in general as it is to become an expert on say cleavage techniques of superconducting materials under ultra-high vacuum where the pool of knowledge is considerably smaller. Having been in academia as well as industry in sciences and engineering, I'd be careful to put too much emphasis on a requirement of publication to define expertise. Lots of names are appended to papers that have had disproportionately low contributions to their peers. Conversely, it is often the case that while the principal investigator may have their name at the top of the paper, it may have been graduate students that did the overwhelming majority if not all the work only to receive a fraction of the acknowledgement and notoriety. Additionally, lots of work is published just for the sake of publication with reciprocity between universities, donors, and the grants that are given to departments on a regular basis. I don't want to digress too much, but the point being that taking publication and its volume at face value doesn't always give a clear picture as to the merit of the work. Sometimes one landmark discovery is worth a thousand other publications! I say all of this and use the analogy of scientific research as it is something I am far more familiar with than numismatic research and I think the same ideas can be applied to numismatic expertise as well.
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 Posted 11/24/2022  04:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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Level 2 Expert - Questions the validity and/or completeness of the known general and/or specialized numismatic information previously published or shared within the collector community through documented experience with the series.
Of course these days (in some series) it's perfectly possible to question the validity and/or completeness, even with fairly good arguments, without having ever touched a specimen!

(For a fairly mild example, I present my thread on Leontius.)
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 Posted 11/25/2022  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list

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In my mind the same is true in sciences. It's a lot harder to be the expert on something like chemistry or physics in general as it is to become an expert on say cleavage techniques of superconducting materials under ultra-high vacuum where the pool of knowledge is considerably smaller. Having been in academia as well as industry in sciences and engineering, I'd be careful to put too much emphasis on a requirement of publication to define expertise.


This is my view as well.
I needed to defend a thesis I did in a specialized area of materials science a very long time ago, that resulted in a couple of papers.
I then worked in an industrial lab and came up with a few things that were patentable (another sort of peer review).
But I never felt as "expert" in a field as when I began teaching undergraduate General Chemistry, and needed to know that broad field enough to answer all kinds of questions on the fly, design examinations that would probe students' grasp of the material at various levels, and so on. Granted, some of the questions were pretty basic, but many weren't, which feeds the learning process.

My outlook toward Numismatics is somewhere between the two. I've been spending time the last four years trying to learn two areas. Not up to the 10,000 hour rule on either yet, but making progress.

One thing I have wondered about this topic is: what kinds of questions do we expect a "numismatic expert" to be able to answer?
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 Posted 11/28/2022  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I'm with several folks here in that one does not have to be published to be an expert. not everyone has the time or aptitude to publish a paper or book. I would say it definitely adds to their credibility.

in my mind there are several different levels of expert as defined by some comments here. DrDarryl is on the right track with his comments

and then add to that

Unique Expertise: A person who has unique expertise on a particular subject and has a large amount of specialized knowledge in a specific subject (i.e. Early halves or Buffalo nickels)

General Expertise: A person who is considered to possess a moderate level of knowledge in the hobby in general acquired by years of accumulated hands on experience and research and is willing to share that knowledge with others

All-rounded Expertise: A person who is considered to possess a high level of skill in several areas of the hobby, has a broad knowledge base and is willing to share that knowledge with others as well as correct incorrect information backed by their research


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 Posted 11/28/2022  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list
i dont think you can be an expert on a series without having seen the coins. pictures will take you a long way but there is nothing like getting coins in hand.

i think expertise is relative. at my local coin club meeting I'm easily the large cent expert. when I go to an EAC convention half the people in the room have forgotten more than I know.

the more narrow the subject the easier it is to become a national or global expert. there just isn't a lot of competition in some of the more esoteric parts of the hobby.
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 Posted 11/29/2022  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list

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i think expertise is relative.


Yep. Easy for someone to be the expert on Polish coins on an American forum.
Less so on a European forum.
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 Posted 11/30/2022  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DiscoLover82 to your friends list
I'm "that coin guy" who can rattle off more information about the specific minutiae of different years of coins than most people know or care about...but I still don't consider myself an expert!
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Easy for someone to be the expert on Polish coins on an American forum... Less so on a European forum.
Well said.
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 Posted 12/31/2022  02:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TinyRetreat to your friends list
"He who ceases to learn is a half-dead man" = Leo Buscaglia

Any time I hear the word "expert", I wonder ...

Be comfortable in your own expertise, at the level you crave and keep learning !.
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 Posted 05/27/2023  02:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spyro to your friends list
Hi. To me it's all relative. Went to a numismatic conference a few months ago and there were several professional experts there including someone from The Royal Mint. Chatting with someone I became aware of the possibility that I might've been the only person in the place who knew much about what I collect (Maria Theresa Taler restrikes). That doesn't make me an expert, but it certainly makes me an enthusiast. There's always going to be someone who knows more, and the opportunity to engage with them is to be welcomed, and to me forums like this one are a godsend.
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Personally, the term "expert" rarely MEANS anything ... Who defined one as such ? To what end would the designation be relevant ? Why is the designation used ? etc. etc.

In my experience, it is the discussion / interaction / sharing / comparing / searching WITH an individual that allows me to consider the expertise of that person ...

"He who ceases to learn, is a half dead man" - Leo Buscaglia
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