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1909-S VDB Lincoln Wheat Cent Thoughts?

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I think it is die #3


the difference between die 2 and die 3 can be a little challenging. the MM on die #3 slants just a little more to the right. I originally called it die#2 but I'm also going with #3 after seeing BADTHADS closeup.

good call
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The difference between die #2 and die #3 is that die #3 mm is positioned more to the right than die #2.

If you drew a vertical line at the left side of the mm, on die #3 it would not touch the first 9 in the date, whereas with die #2 it would intersect with the first 9.


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It arrived today. Here are my pictures of it. Seller's photos seem enhanced.
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Worked this time, sorry.
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Well those don't help!
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Oh my, I would send that back.
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That's a bit of a contrast from the first pictures!

Honestly, I like it better. I like those almost black coins. The biggest concern is if someone applied shoe polish or other substance to it. If it's a true patina, which it could be, it's better than the first pictures I saw.
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Is the dark color accurate? If it just toned dark, I think it looks rather nice. The fact that you can still see the planchet streaking on the reverse suggests that it's not coated with something.
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better lighting needed to see the actual color. that bluish/purple color could signify a cleaning and possible AT but man those original photos were really touched up. I cant see how you can manipulate a coin that much

in any case I think the coin is a little better than VF so I'm upgrading my grade to XF but unsure about original surfaces. for me it would be tough call to keep it or send it back. I think it comes down to how much it was.
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Did a bit of adjustments, your photos were too dark to see much. Is this more accurate? It looks decent to me honestly...better than the originals I feel like if so, other than that blue tint. Are there signs of a harsh cleaning under a loupe?
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Oh yes, that is much better. My photo set-up isn't the greatest for lighting. You nailed it.
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Is it really that color?
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Interesting, the surfaces are definitely questionable. Probably the result of people oiling the coin back in the day and this is just how it came out over the years. I wouldn't mess with PCGS/NGC, I'd send this to IGC. They are more tolerant of toning and less apt to bag it IMO.
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copper tones in all kinds of ways but this doesn't look natural.
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Very nice looking coin
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