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Eid Mar Coin Seller Arrested

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 Posted 08/30/2023  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add publius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The Brutus coin was repatriated to Greece because it was demonstrably stolen property.


If a fact is demonstrable, then it should be demonstrated before action is taken on it. And the normal place for that demonstration is a court of record. Allowing Treasury agents to seize property and send it abroad without due process endangers everyone.
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 Posted 08/31/2023  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin was seized and repatriated by the Manhattan District Attorney.

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https://manhattanda.org/d-a-bragg-r...s-to-greece/

All were seized pursuant to multiple criminal investigations into high-profile traffickers and smugglers.


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https://news.artnet.com/art-world/e...eece-2275126

These objects were seized by officials this year from the collection of Shelby White, a prominent philanthropist and Metropolitan Museum of Art board member, and her late husband Leon Levy.


The seizure of the EID MAR coin was subject to the takings clause of the fifth amendment. It doesn't seem like the owners of the coin were the sort of people who would just give up $20 million in property without fighting it legally unless they were presented with incontrovertible evidence that they had purchased stolen property. It seems doubtful that the seizure was conducted based on a mere allegation by an informant.

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 Posted 08/31/2023  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/civil_forfeiture

Civil forfeiture laws and precedent were also likely used to enact the seizure of the property. Although jurisdictions will tailor the contours to apply locally, the core principle, based on English Common Law, can be seen in the link above. I haven't found the decision in the case nor the order to enact the seizure. If you have the research tools available, it would be helpful if you could post it here.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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08/31/2023 11:52 am
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https://www.townandcountrymag.com/l...meline-2023/

I was happy to see that there is a fair number of people and agencies working hard to repatriate stolen treasures to their rightful owners.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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