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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
11896 Posts |
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7193 Posts |
XF 45 and a better deal than the 1861 half.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
18673 Posts |
i agree with XF45. maybe an old cleaning.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4469 Posts |
AU/XF details cleaned. A lot of hairlines on reverse.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1775 Posts |
 Reverse looks cleaned to me. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2281 Posts |
Xf details, too many hairlines I've seen worse in straight grade holders though, you might get it.  You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11896 Posts |
Another disappointment. At first sight, the coin was shiny and reflective. It is obviously cleaned and also on the return pile.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
25289 Posts |
That's a shame.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Pillar of the Community
United States
880 Posts |
Wow, that is disappointing.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
18673 Posts |
several folks called cleaned. dang lighting gets someone again. there is no way the person who posted didn't know this and took the best photo to hide it or adjusted the photo. any collector thats been around a while can see it if the coin was in hand.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1048 Posts |
For what its worth, a huge proportion of Trades and SLDs are cleaned -- and there's a plausible notion that it may not have much to do with numismatics.
These coins were apparently heavily circulated in the ports. European traders apparently washed their coins as a matter of course. There's a literary description somewhere I read years ago, where a trader "cleans the silver" before the transaction as sign of respect.
For whatever reason, TPGs are also extra-forgiving about the old dollars. I've seen zillions of cleaned dollars straight-graded over the years.
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Pillar of the Community
Taiwan
606 Posts |
TPG's are also extra forgiving about old dollars
I could not agree more. CAC which is very strict on originality makes this point in spades. I have been looking for an
1841 PCGS 58 CAC dollar for a type set. The PCGS price guide was just bumped from $2,000 to $2250. The CAC
price guide is listed at $3280. Coin Rarities Online offered one in March of this year for $3975.
I called within thirty minutes of receiving their early bird email and it had been sold and I was third in line if the other two individuals passed. This is not an isolated case.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36770 Posts |
Another cleaned coin. Looks like the seller modified the photos.
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Posted 09/23/2023 09:54 am
