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Is This 1980 Lincoln Cent Double Struck?

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The way I understand post mint damage vice/hammer coins, is that the "added" devices are incuse and backwards. However.....
The "IBE" letters under LIBERTY are not backwards. Shouldn't those 3 letters be backwards if a cent was overlayed onto it and were hammered/viced? Also, the 3 extra letters ("IBE") are not incuse, they are raised devices.
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 Posted 12/01/2023  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, as I think I see partial "LIBERTY" inside that deep gouge.
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A clear pic would be great.
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There are ways to make fake double struck coins, as is w/ this old post from TB.... http://goccf.com/t/404097 .... that being said, agree, sharp/clear pics of the area would be helpful.
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Here is a close up.
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I'm thinking PMD.
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I'm admittedly oblivious to this double punch concept but, I just don't see how that could possibly happen with a die.
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 Posted 12/01/2023  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peanut26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm definately different
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I think it looks like the right upright of the M and the ERI from the reverse backwards. That would be the only letters that close to the rim that would transfer. It might have been a hammer strike with two bounces leaving 3 imprints.
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Curious that the reverse looks relatively normal.
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Quote:
looks like the right upright of the M and the ERI


Ahh, I was seeing the BER from LIBERTY, depressed.
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Nice added closeup pic. Cool looking and look forward to seeing how it turns out.
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Hmmm, a what if....

Prior die break and a strike through with fragment. That would be a unique find.
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Hmm, closeup does not say PMD to me at least, since the letters are rightly orientated in that "fragment" section...
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Interesting. It would appear that a coin was laid such that part of the rim came across the bottom of the BER in LIBERTY, as seen by the topmost rim imprint on the coin. This imprinted the lettering on the rim of the overlying coin. This is something we see reasonably often, reversed and inset lettering on the rim of a coin. But then they took that coin and knocked or squeezed in onto the fields of this coin three times. What you see is apparently the bottom half of BE and the bottom of the left leg of the R. Now they are raised and correct again. A type of soft die I suppose.
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