1840 $1 Liberty Seated Dollar #4 Osburn-Cushing Oc-2, R4+

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numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11894 Posts	Posted 12/09/2023 12:36 am $1,985. Thoughts? Thanks! Initially I thought this was a first year of issue coin with a lot of eye appeal. Then I noticed, looking at the obverse shield, that this might be a scarce variety. Went onto the site run by Dick Osburn and Brian Cushing and was able to attribute this coin as OC-2 which has a rarity of R4+ with an estimated 100 survivors in all grades. I was able to attribute this coin using the obverse date placement that is unique to the OC-2 die pair. This variety is also #1 in the top 30 Seated dollar varieties list http://www.seateddollarvarieties.com/Top-30.shtml) with repunched stars which I could not see from the pictures but hope to see when the coin is in hand. The site is a treasure trove of information and I learned that there were 4 business strike die pairs for the initial year of issuance of 61,005 liberty Seated dollars. By far the most common die pair is OC-1 which are estimated to have 1,250 survivors. OC-3 is R3 with 375 estimated survivors and OC-4 is R6, the rarest of the business strikes with just 25 estimated survivors. Attribution and my learning is thanks to the excellent work of Dick Osburn and Brian Cushing putting their attribution reference for all to use freely on the internet. Thank you gentlemen! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff

IndianGoldEagle Bedrock of the Community United States 36770 Posts	Posted 12/09/2023 09:32 am What a beauty! A wild guess from these photos, MS-62. Report this Post to the Staff
panzaldi Bedrock of the Community United States 18670 Posts	Posted 12/09/2023 10:41 am cool pickup. I'm at MS62 as well. Report this Post to the Staff
Everest Pillar of the Community Taiwan 606 Posts	Posted 12/09/2023 12:29 pm AU Details Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 12/09/2023 7:36 pm I don't quite think this coin is Uncirculated but it's really, really close. Slider AU/MS. Show me an AU58 holder or a MS62 holder and I'd be okay with either option. It's a really attractive coin and a very scarce coin. I'd also imagine at least based off these photos that it may have had a cleaning some years ago and has since developed album or holder retoning, but that affects neither eye appeal nor market value as far as I'm concerned. I have a Liberty Seated quarter that also retoned beautifully around the edges in a manner similar to this one - it's in a PCGS AU50 holder, but it looks much closer to AU55-AU58 in hand. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74344 Posts	Posted 12/09/2023 11:21 pm I'll go with AU. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Bump111 Pillar of the Community United States 3325 Posts	Posted 12/10/2023 3:13 pm Outside my wheelhouse but wanted to congratulate you on the acquisition and say how interesting the writeup is. "Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae Report this Post to the Staff
Bear906 Valued Member United States 54 Posts	Posted 12/10/2023 6:42 pm Concurring with paralyse here: AU58; possible old cleaning and retone. I think the price was right given the possible cleaning, and this is absolutely too nice of a coin to pass up. You did well here. Congratulations! Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11894 Posts	Posted 12/15/2023 1:03 pm This one came in looking pretty stunning. Thoughts? Thanks! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 12/15/2023 1:27 pm Report this Post to the Staff
adam126402 Pillar of the Community United States 880 Posts	Posted 12/15/2023 1:09 pm That is a stunning coin. Curious, what do you use for taking photos? Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11894 Posts	Posted 12/15/2023 1:13 pm Thanks. I use my galaxy s21 phone. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 12/15/2023 1:13 pm Report this Post to the Staff
IndianGoldEagle Bedrock of the Community United States 36770 Posts	Posted 12/15/2023 2:19 pm Nice coin but I am dropping to AU-58. Looks like rub on the high points. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11894 Posts	Posted 12/15/2023 2:49 pm One of the things that could not be seen in the original pictures were the repunched stars in the 3 uppermost stars in the top left point. My in hand pictures were able to capture that. From the Osburn-Cushing reference: IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 12/15/2023 2:53 pm Report this Post to the Staff
panzaldi Bedrock of the Community United States 18670 Posts	Posted 12/16/2023 08:45 am review of new photos change from MS62 to AU55 maybe 58. looks like old cleaning. Report this Post to the Staff
Everest Pillar of the Community Taiwan 606 Posts	Posted 12/16/2023 6:51 pm Certainly better photos. Still an AU details coin IMO. This coin was sold via ebay by greatsouthercoin for $2025. It was advertised as Nice Choice AU ++. If the coin was actually as advertised it would already be in a P58 or N58 slab with the possibility of a CAC green bean. Greatsoutherncoin is a prolific seller of coins on ebay over the last dozen years or so with 240,000+ sales. They are not going to leave $2,000 - $4,000+ on the table by not having the coin certified. Although the die attribution is interesting it does not add any value to the coin that I am aware of. If you have a go to guy or a mentor I think it would be worthwhile to have another set of eyes for an in hand inspection. Good luck. Edited by Everest 12/16/2023 6:55 pm Report this Post to the Staff
DOCC Pillar of the Community United States 1502 Posts	Posted 12/16/2023 7:35 pm Nice pickup NS, very pleasing to look at. Report this Post to the Staff
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