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Doge Takes Aim At The Penny

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The cent needed to go away twenty years ago. Canada has managed to survive the past 13 years without it.

Artazn (Jarden Zinc) needs to shift their lobbying efforts towards zinc blanks for the five cents coin, so we are no long spending nine cents to make a nickel.
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so we are no long spending nine cents to make a nickel.


I think that's up to 11.5 cents now.
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Cut the cent!
Pull the penny!
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I doubt it if saving is his intention to eliminate Cents. He has been a fan of Bitcoin and other digital currencies. He will create a room to get this digital currency go through. And more likely, he will not mention transaction fees and associated fees for this type of payment, and scammers. Producing more babies costs more than a cent. Good luck.
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I'm sorry, I just don't buy the argument that you can't strike a coin if the manufacturing costs exceed the face value of the coin. Coins are a tool. Specifically, a government issued tool to facilitate commerce. We do not demand that other government-supplied infrastructure breaks even. We simply prefer that the benefit exceeds the cost.

For a very long time, the value of most coinage was tied directly to the metal value. More precisely, the circulating silver coins were tied to metal value. Circulating copper and base metal coins were fixed in relationship to the silver coins. This resulted in profits from striking the base metal coins (or from striking any smaller silver coin where the silver amount was less than the amount implied by the fixed relationship). But they aren't actually required to be a profit generator, and indeed, in a fiat money system of ever increasing inflation, it was inevitable that the coin face value will eventually be exceeded by the materials cost. That is true of copper, zinc, aluminum, steel, plastic, or any other durable medium. It is also mostly irrelevant. We don't need the highway snowplow to break even, because we all agree that the benefit of a cleared road exceeds the cost of the snowplow, driver, and support.
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I doubt it if saving is his intention to eliminate Cents. He has been a fan of Bitcoin and other digital currencies...
Yeah, ending the cent opens up so much room for digital currencies, not like there are other coins and currencies in the way...
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I'm sorry, I just don't buy the argument that you can't strike a coin if the manufacturing costs exceed the face value of the coin... We don't need the highway snowplow to break even, because we all agree that the benefit of a cleared road exceeds the cost of the snowplow, driver, and support.
Nice story, but the cent provides zero benefit today. Not when most end up in the trash, which is why we have to mint so many of them.

Rounding down is a better tool and everyone wins. Just as Canada how they are doing without the cent. 13 years and they are still up there.
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Ain't gonna happen. They are too ingrained in American tradition. Pennies, Mom and apple pie.
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How about a historical precedent for eliminating a coin?

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By the mid-1850s, the Half Cent's purchasing power was equivalent to that of about 15 cents today. The Half Cent was deemed to be worth too little to continue on in production, and thus it was scrapped with the passage of the Coinage Act of 1857, a set of laws that also authorized the small cent to replace the large cent (due to inflation and rising copper costs).

https://www.pcgs.com/news/why-did-t...er%20costs).
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I'm actually on board with this, as long as they keep making it for mint and proof sets.
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I'm actually on board with this, as long as they keep making it for mint and proof sets.
Yes! In 95% copper, too!
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Dearborn has a logical solution.
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Nice story, but the cent provides zero benefit today. Not when most end up in the trash, which is why we have to mint so many of them.


99% of people will not even bend over to pick-up a penny from the ground. Besides the negative seigniorage, pennies are destroyers of the environment. Consider the nasty mining/smelting process, electricity used making planchets and minting coins, diesel fuel expended moving them all over the earth and the land/water pollution they cause in the end. (Copper is acutely toxic to aquatic life.)

It's time to move on for so many reasons. This is a perfect issue for both the left and right to align on - after all, WE'RE ALL AMERICANS.
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99% of people will not even bend over to pick-up a penny

I am a happy member of the 1%. As long as the knees agree, bendovers benefit me.

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land/water pollution

Not gonna buy that argument until the massive environmental disasters caused
directly by totally unnecessary WARS come to a complete halt.
Every time U-crane burns another ruzzian oil depot, the entire world feels the heat.
L.A. wildfire environmental damage is incalculable.
Manufacturing processes have a high level of control, if they choose to use it.
Continuing wasteful wars and wildfires, not so much.
Our civilization has lessons to be learned that we could have absorbed a thousand or more years ago.
What holds us back? Ego and selfishness? A total lack of common sense?
If cents were less common, would that change anything at all, other than the
childlike delight of finding free coins in the parking lot? I think not.
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I no longer use any change in commerce. I mostly use plastic anyway, What change I do get goes into a coffee can. Every couple years I give the cans to the nieces and nephews along with some paper wrappers and they go to town, I do however check all coins for errors, rarities etc. If eliminating the cent can reduce the budget I am all for it.
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