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Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74189 Posts	Posted 04/06/2025 5:47 pm Nice addition, tdziemia! Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2878 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 02:57 am Nice example. Interesting to see how the horses head has been portrayed as bending back on itself in quite the contortionist position. I suspect that was the last bit of the die to get engraved. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96071 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 07:29 am nice one tdz! Quote: Interesting to see how the horses head has been portrayed as bending back on itself It is quite possible for a horse to turn it's head like that, maybe the rider pulled on the reins at that moment to when chasing that dragon. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 07:52 am Quote: I suspect that was the last bit of the die to get engraved. And I'm thinking the date (at 7:00) was the last part of the obverse die? ("Uh-oh. They told me to put the date on this coin!"). Something really interesting about this coin: it bears the pope's birth name in addition to his adopted papal name. The obverse legend is partially worn away, but reads GREGORIVS XV LVDOVICIVS P M. This pope's birth name was Alessandro Ludovisi, and he adopted Gregory for his papal name. So, I am guessing the Ferrara engraver was an amateur in more than one way, because he (presumable mistakenly?) used a a mash-up of the two names on this coin (as well as the half bolognino and the piastra). None of the other papal mints did this, and used the traditional naming, GREGORIVS XV PONT MAX (or an abbreviation). Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2878 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 08:12 am These idiosyncrasies make older coins much more interesting to me than the (rather stale) mass produced modern ones. That's a great point with the date placement. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Edited by Bacchus2 04/07/2025 08:12 am Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2878 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 08:16 am Perhaps I'll go again with the next ruler and post this coin of Paul V. It's a 1613 1 Quattrino and again shows St George on the reverse. (head less extended this time). Again from the Ferrera mint. EDIT: I should have added that the Numista reference does indicate there are many variants of this coin - though none that I can find with the lettering under the exergue My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Edited by Bacchus2 04/07/2025 08:41 am Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96071 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 08:43 am nice one Bacc Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 188488 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 10:20 am Nice examples! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74189 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 12:18 pm Nice one, Bacchus2. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 12:32 pm (removed duplicate post) Edited by tdziemia 04/08/2025 06:18 am Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 12:39 pm Quote: the Numista reference does indicate there are many variants of this coin - though none that I can find with the lettering under the exergue I think once agan you have an unusual variant of an otherwise common coin. Yours is the type with both a pontifical year on the obverse (VII or VIII) and a Gregorian year on the reverse (1613 or 1614 in the exergue). But it's supposed to have the legend FERRARIAE PROTECTOR, and yours has the abbreviation PR (instead of the full second word). I am guessing 1613 in the exergue on yours, because I can only find the PR abbreviation here: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=12182846 Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2878 Posts	Posted 04/07/2025 4:05 pm Thanks very much tdziemia for digging out that extra information. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5173 Posts	Posted 04/08/2025 02:39 am The backwards-facing horse came up here before with the 1675 Ferrara quattrino (page 13, my comment on page 14), which had the same detail. So maybe it was deliberate at Ferrara. Though the 1613 does apparently have the horse facing right... Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2878 Posts	Posted 04/08/2025 04:20 am If no-one else has posted in a while I'll go again with this workhorse coin. It's a simple 1609 1 Quattrino (Paul V) from the Bologna mint. This design seems to have been used for quite a long period by the Bologna mint - with only the year changing/ Quite efficient to not even have to change the rulers name at all. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 04/08/2025 06:41 am I also have a Ferrara quattrino, a variant where the obverse legend starts at the top rather than lower left, and the reverse legend is PROTECTOR FERRARIAE starting at lower left, with beaded circles both sides. I have seen examples like mine with an illegible date sold as being from 1613, so presumably it was only struck that year. It's curious that the mint was so busy striking these for just a year or two, and not at the beginning of the reign. I thought I had one more coin of this pope, but apparently I was wrong, so I am done for this slice Edited by tdziemia 04/08/2025 07:56 am Report this Post to the Staff
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