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Anzelmas Valued Member Sweden 171 Posts	Posted 05/29/2025 07:29 am Hi, m8s! Is it possible to identify this very worn coin? Copper (billon?) Diameter max 19.8 mm Weight 1.54 g Edited by Anzelmas 05/29/2025 3:18 pm Report this Post to the Staff

january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5172 Posts	Posted 05/29/2025 07:52 am It has the look of a Polish trojak (3 grosz), but I can't make any sense of the lettering, and a trojak should be in better silver. There's a lot of other similar types, but (unfortunately) I suspect that this coin is likely to be a contemporary counterfeit. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7933 Posts	Posted 05/29/2025 1:42 pm Great eye, j1m. My first take was something Byzantine, but you are correct that if we take the first photo and roate it 180 degrees, we see a highly corrupted version of a trojak design: - Wasa arms flanked by two eagles (not an eagle and a knight) - Legend that is a highly corrupted version of the normal one GROS ARG/ TRIP REG / POLONIAE They were highly counterfeited ... You even find fakes on ebay Report this Post to the Staff
Anzelmas Valued Member Sweden 171 Posts	Posted 05/29/2025 3:26 pm january1may, tdziemia thanks a lot for your help. I thought that it is impossible to identify such corroded coin. I tried to find on internet the similar coin with two eagles, but I couldn't. Is it because this coin is counterfeit or because I don't know where to look? Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7933 Posts	Posted 05/30/2025 07:50 am I think there is no real coin with two eagles. The Polish-Lithuanian trojaks always have an eagle on the left. a knight on the right and Wasa arms between. I don't think any place made it with two eagles, which helps with the attribution as counterfeit. It almost looks like each line of the inscription is written backwards, with some of the letters retrograde, some inverted top-to-bottom, and lots of mistakes. Maybe composed in a place that was not using the latin alphabet? If done correctly (based on a 1620s era coin) that would have given EGRA SORG NGER PIRT INOLOP Edited by tdziemia 05/30/2025 07:51 am Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7933 Posts	Posted 07/01/2025 07:40 am Just bumping this because I ran across an auction listing for a counterfeit trojak, though in quite nice condition: https://www.numisbids.com/sale/9508/lot/6115 Will be interesting to see what it goes for... Any guesses? Report this Post to the Staff
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