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Just assume it already is. Yep. Personal privacy is a thing of the past. |
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Long, long gone. While everyone is a potential target, the good news is that most of us are not worth the effort.  |
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Personal privacy is a thing of the past. It's my duty to protect my privacy as much as I can. Others can cede their privacy if they wish, but not me. Can't stop everyone, certainly not the gov't, but I can stem the flow... Lest anyone think I'm a tinfoil hat, the answer is no. I live in the present, mindful of who's asking what and why. My motto: Everybody wants my info, but few actually need it!And there's a big difference between want and need. PS: asking for my ID at a show but not recording my information is called "security theater". Look it up if interested. |
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And there's a big difference between want and need. True. Quote:
asking for my ID at a show but not recording my information is called "security theater". I am almost tempted to use a fake. If I get caught, I would just mutter, "Dang, brother and his practical jokes got me again." Thirty years back I mosdef would have probably tried it.  |
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I am almost tempted to use a fake Oh what a world we live in! I read earlier comments in this thread suggesting the use of fake names, phone numbers, etc. Well, here's a novel idea: We shouldn't have to use fake names or phone numbers or IDs to do normal things like eat or shop or see a ballgame! We shouldn't have to tell anybody anything most of the time. But since you brought it up, and at risk of this thread drifting ever further afield, here's an interesting idea for all: Common law allows us to adopt any alias or persona we like for any reason we like other than fraud. You can't fake / copy a government ID but you can mock up an Employee or Student ID to show prying eyes when those prying eyes have no business knowing your business. Just don't use a real company or school name, false association is a form of fraud. Don't use the mock-up to open accounts or apply for jobs etc. But if some ninny demands your ID to enter an event, and you've paid your admission, then there is no injury, thus no crime. Remember just 10 years ago when you could go all day without people demanding your bio every time you inhaled? And we didn't have hundreds of data centers gobbling megawatts of electicity all over the countryside. Yet somehow we could still order a pizza or go to a movie just fine? That's how you know these companies don't need your info, they just want it. Edited by jeffbuckes
08/27/2025 3:32 pm
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"Please note: Valid photo ID is required for show admission."
I can guarantee you the person checking your ID at the door isn't qualified to do so.
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Our area is still sensitive about security because a dealer just 30 minutes north of us was murdered in his shop in broad daylight a few years back, and it took eight years to convict a person for the murder. The security cameras had continuous loop VHS tape (yes, really), and what was able to be deciphered was little more than something looking like the fuzzy B&W Moon landing video.
Showing ID is a simple layer of protection for dealers. Most shows are in convention facilities or hotels. You can rest assured that you will have been on camera and your vehicle, license tag, and face will have been recorded in high definition color by dozens of cameras at the facility and on roads leading to the facility for a long time before you entered the show.
The ID requirement is more than just checking to see if you match your ID. It is to have a video record of you with your ID and audio of your name verification that makes it possible to match your image and ID on the show camera with your image on other cameras in the event you are casing the show and looking for a dealer whom you rob in the parking lot or while or after exiting the show or while on the way back to the dealer's shop or home. Nobody cares who you are, where you are from, why you are attending the show, or what you are buying. They only care that if you harm one of the dealers, you will be located, arrested, tried, and convicted, and that it won't take eight years to do that. That's it. That's the only reason.
And yes, I feel strongly about this. We all knew the dealer who was murdered. He was one of us, and it could very well have been one of us. It's personal.
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I can guarantee you the person checking your ID at the door isn't qualified to do so. Funny because it is probably true. Most of the time. |
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The ID requirement is more than just checking to see if you match your ID... And yes, I feel strongly about this. We all knew the dealer who was murdered. He was one of us, and it could very well have been one of us. It's personal. Thank you for the professional insight.  Ultimately we are free to make our own choices. Do not do anything you are not comfortable doing. |
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you will have been on camera and your vehicle, license tag, and face will have been recorded in high definition color by dozens of cameras at the facility and on roads leading to the facility for a long time before you entered the show This is all true, and it's exactly why I won't show show ID... I will never voluntarily add to the data collection stream. If somebody wants to know who I am they're really gonna have to work for it :) Besides, we already live in a panopticon / security state and all those camera angles can be reviewed with facial recognition tech that is very scary, and very inaccurate. Check the New York Times for articles about people wrongly arrested after their face was "recognized" by those cameras. Quote:
a video record of you with your ID and audio of your name verification More security theater easily overcome with fake ID, especially by any of the roving international crime syndicates from Chile, Romania etc. Read the LA Times. These groups come to the US on tourist visas, work in gangs robbing houses, stores, etc. They skim credit card readers then hit the ATMs to drain then banks, then fly home. If they get arrested, no big deal. Cashless bail. They fly home and the gang sends more thieves with more fake IDs. Asking for ID is utterly pointless, feel-good nonsense in most settings. Thieves will always find a workaround. PS: in my state and many other it's illegal to record audio without verbal consent... Do thousands of people really stand in line, show ID, read their names aloud and agree to be recorded? What a cumbersome proces that must be. Quote:
Nobody cares who you are, where you are from, why you are attending the show, or what you are buying Entirely untrue. All that video footage is recorded digitally and typically uploaded to servers where it is stored for future reference (like investigating those thefts you mentioned). Those servers are scanned by third-party data miners (often illegally) who use those images for their databases to track our every movement. Combine that with our ID and audio recordings and our personal security is endangered even more. So don't make it easier for them. Long story short: If promoters won't let me in unless I register / show ID, no big deal, it's a private event and I just won't go! To each his own... |
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"Jeffbuckes" actually raises the larger question, why? What is the information used for? If it is marketing, can you opt out? If it is for security, how does that help? The show sponsors know everyone in the building so if there is a theft?
The question should be asked why can't we be anonymous in this and other areas of life? We do not have a National ID in this country and not everyone has an ID, does that mean attendance at a coin show is off limits?
Food for thought
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No need to get bent. It's someone's sort of kind of thought that it will help.
There are ID alteratives available for anyone who knows how to use the tools they have so it's really not an effctive deterrent.
My beef is that carding normal folks does nothing to deter the predators outside the shows that follow dealers when they leave the show.
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What is the information used for? Information is power. I could argue that it is the real hedge against inflation or monetary collapse. With information you control people and when you control people you control resources. Who needs money then?  |
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My beef is that carding normal folks does nothing to deter the predators outside the shows that follow dealers when they leave the show. This is true. You do not have to go inside the show to find your mark.  |
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You are overthinking this.
No coin show has the time or processing power to do anything with this data.
I was manning the desk at the TNA show when we started checking IDs. All we were doing was making sure you had something with a name & photo, and that was it. Quick look and on your way. Nothing was recorded.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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